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The recently dredged canal-like entrance channel leading to Lambs Marina cuts east from the AICW/Dismal Swamp Canal Route’s trek through Pasquotank River, south of Sawyers Creek and north of the charted railway bridge.
Cruising News:
To the sailboater who thought he had run aground on the approach to Lambs Marina, our apologies. Lambs Marina these days after dredging have a minimum depth of 8 ft both in the approach and at their slips. However the very next morning we went out in our dinghy and found two cypress logs floating in mid river. We towed both out of the way and are confident that those are what the sailboater bumped into.
Check out our news on www.lambsmarinanc.com
Happy sailing to one and all
Cap’n Parky
MV Pisces
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These folks definitely know how to take full advantage of a location. Their experience makes you want to go back and follow their tracks/wake in and around the Canal. The Dismal Swamp Canal Welcome Center is A SALTY SOUTHEAST CRUISERS’ NET SPONSOR!
We are 2012 Loopers in progress who just exited the Dismal Swamp this morning after having a great time through there! We did hit two deadheads in the center of the canal, fortunately while traveling at idle speed, just in case. We spent one night at the free dock at the Visitors Center. The next morning we rode our bikes along the adjacent bike path, then moved 6 more miles up the Canal and spent a second night tied up at a free Corps of Engineers dock (only 20 feet long, so we took up more than the entire dock but would have let others raft to us). After we tied up there, we took our
dinghy 3 miles up the Dismal Swamp Canal Feeder Ditch, right across from the dock, to Lake Drummond, which provides the water they use to keep the Swamp at constant level. It was a beautiful trip, and at the canal-lake junction, there is a tiny rail “trolley” you operate yourself to take your dinghy around the dam and into Lake Drummond, which was beautiful and no other boats were there. Great adventure!
Cathryn and Bob
aboard “Next to Me”,
42′ Jefferson Sundeck
What a great month for SALTY SOUTHEAST CRUISERS’ NET SPONSOR, Elizabeth City, NC., to have such a robust calendar of events. Many cruisers will be “doing the Dismal” this May, and those of you who fit this description may be able to take advantage of the events detailed below!
May 4, 2012
First Friday Art Walk
Various Locations around Downtown Elizabeth City
5:30 pm – 7:00 pm
Admission: FREE
Arts of the Albemarle: 252-338-6455
Red Rabbit Art Gallery: 252-331-2700
Kelly’s Color Studio: 252-202-1597
Serenity Studio Arts: 252-331-2940
Port Discover: 252-338-6117
May 4, 2012
Live Music at Groupers Waterfront Restaurant
Featuring: Boot Rooster Band
Location: Groupers Waterfront Restaurant
8:00 pm – 12:00 am
Admission: Cover Charge
252-331-2431
May 5 – May 26, 2012
Downtown Waterfront Market
Only runs on Saturdays.
Location: Mariners Wharf
9:00 am – 1:00 pm
Admission: FREE
Courtney Birdsall: 252-338-0169
http://www.downtownwaterfrontmarket.com
May 5, 2012
Meet the Author & Doggie Event @ Page After Page Bookstore
Featured Author: Tracy Spaine and her dog Hurricane
Author of: “Life through the eyes of a Hurricane Doggie-Dog”
Location: Page After Page Bookstore
11:00 am – 3:00 pm
Admission: FREE
252-335-7243
http://www.pageafterpagebook.com
May 11, 2012
Live Music at Groupers Waterfront Restaurant
Featuring: DJ Rick and Karaoke Nights
Location: Groupers Waterfront Restaurant
8:00 pm – 12:00 am
Admission: Cover Charge
252-331-2431
May 18, 2012
History Tales: Make It, Take It: To War! The War Between the States
Elementary students accompanied by an adult
Location: Museum of the Albemarle
3:30 pm – 4:30 pm
Admission: FREE
252-335-1453
http://www.museumofthealbemarle.com
May 19, 2012
Join Me Crew, Matey: Pirate Family Fun Day
Held in conjunction the North Carolina Potato Festival.
Location: Museum of the Albemarle
10:00 am – 4:00 pm
Admission: FREE
252-335-1453
http://www.museumofthealbemarle.com
May 19, 2012
North Carolina Potato Festival
Location: Downtown Elizabeth City
10:00 am – 10:00 pm
Admission: FREE
Elizabeth City Downtown, Inc: 252-338-4104
http://www.ncpotatofestival.com
May 19, 2012
Lucky Duck Derby
Location: Mariners’ Wharf
Time: TBA
Admission: Advance purchase of duck to participate, Spectators free
Albemarle Hopeline: 252-338-5338
http://www.duckrace.com/elizabethcity/Default.aspx
May 25, 2012
Live Music at Groupers Waterfront Restaurant
Featuring: DJ Rick and Karaoke Nights
Location: Groupers Waterfront Restaurant
8:00 pm – 12:00 am
Admission: Cover Charge
252-331-2431
The canal-like entrance channel leading to Lambs Marina cuts east from the AICW/Dismal Swamp Canal Route’s trek through Pasquotank River, south of Sawyers Creek and north of the charted railway bridge. We have always been impressed with this facility’s wonderfully sheltered harbor, its on-site fresh seafood market, and the generally friendly attitude that cruisers can expect upon arrival. And, they currently offer the only readily available fuel on the entire Dismal Swamp Canal AICW Alternate Route!
Now, this facility has made even more improvement, as described by Captain Arnold below. What’s not to like!!!!
I’ve recently been able to design and upload a new website for Lambs Marina – they’ve been having trouble with a previous designer which is not yet fully solved. Please check out the new site at http://www.lambsmarinanc.com which thus far has been very well received by my cruising friends.
Larry Lamb is spending a lot of money upgrading services for cruising boaters – not to mention a recent (very expensive) dredging of all slips to an 8ft minimum depth. They’re trying hard to be rid of the previous common (though correct) perception that water depth was a problem at Lambs but not now. Any boat that can go through the Dismal Swamp Canal can now easily be accommodated at Lambs.
Lambs slip rates are well below average – and their fuel prices are very competitive since they also have a highway fuel stop well known locally for low low prices. Worth mentioning is that not many marinas have a fresh sea food counter, a gaming casino and a large flat screen television for the use of boaters! Our cup runneth over. 
I can vouch for them with confidence. A small marina no doubt – 60 odd slips – but with a big heart trying to do their best for cruising sailors in these poor economic times.
I hope you are well – drop by anytime.
Best Regards
Cap’n Parky (Arnold Parkinson)
MV Pisces
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While most cruisers opt to either tie up at the free Mariners Wharf City Docks or anchor south of the HWY 158 bridge, Mark is correct that the little cove north of the bridge at mile 50 does appear to be a good anchorage, but is not. However, south of the bridge puts you much closer to the downtown area. Either way, Elizabeth City is a Salty Southeast Cruisers’ Net Sponsor!
CAUTION when anchoring near 50 mile mark! Right at the 50 mile mark, there is a Marina on the South shore. It’s close to the highway, and it gives the appearance of a nice place to anchor … figuring nice folks are nearby, (with about 30 boats docked at the marina), and nothing else. And it appears that if necessary, one can dingy up and get to shore if needed. HOWEVER … look close at the charts! There are very ugly serious underwater hazards out from the pier, both to the East and West of that 50 mile line on chart. Looking out away from the pier to the NNW and North East, these nasty hazards are visible when the wind blows hard from the North for a few days. There is a particular nasty sunken barge NNW of the pier!! A Tow Boat had a very hard time pulling a 40’ cruiser off a sunken barge last year. The story is this area was used as a graveyard for numerous wood barges back in the day.
This area is a good place to anchor, as long as you stay very far from shore, and are East of the 50 mile line. If you see evidence of a sunken barge up near the shore, there is likely another big one 200 to 300 feet closer to you that you cannot see. If you stay directly North of this pier/marina/yacht club, you’ll be fine. The club boaters know of these hazards, and will watch out for you when coming and going. There’s plenty of room for a boat to anchor and local boats to work around you. On a direct line from this pier, I’m guessing one has clearance from obstructions to no more than 100 feet to the West, and at maybe 300 feet to the East. That pier is the Pasquotank River Yacht Club. We hope to mark these hazardous soon. We’ve been unsuccessful with getting any government agency to take it on, so we may try to do it ourselves. We usually have no slips available, but don’t hesitate to holler and say hi! However in an emergency, don’t hesitate to beach it between pier and our club house which you can see just SW of pier. Some members have beached there to clean the bottom. If you see anyone hanging around the pier, and want to dingy over for fresh water, that shouldn’t be a problem; hopefully you can talk someone into handing you a hose to let you fill up. We know it’s a bit awkward getting water downtown.
Mark H.
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The long entrance channel to Lambs Marina cuts east, north of Elizabeth City, NC, and just north of the charted 3-foot (closed vertical clearance) railway bridge at “Camden.” The dredging here is very good news, as this marina not only provides very secure dockage, and a fresh seafood counter ashore, but it is also the only source of fuel on the entire AICW/Dismal Swamp Alternate Route!
Cruising News:
Good news for all cruisers – dredging has now completed at Lambs Marina giving minimum water depth throughout at 8ft 6ins MLW. Vessels up to 50ft are welcome at this very friendly and laidback marina. Call Larry Lamb at 252 202 4150 for info or reservations.
Capt. Parky
We used Lambs a couple of years ago to put in for a trip to Hampton, Va. I do not believe we could have put our 19′ Cuddy Cabin back on the trailer then, has the ramp been improved so a float on trailer will work? Thanks and they are very nice people! Reg Holden
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Lambs Marina has finished dredging to a minimum 8ft and the water is now wonderfully clear again. Check it out at www.lambsmarinanc.com
The dredging company is now on it’s way to Morehead City, NC, to dredge out their badly needed waterfront docking – and after that the notorious Peletier Creek and Spooners Creek.
Is there no end to our good fortune? I might buy a bigger boat!
Cap’n Parky
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Friends Doing the Dismal
Fellow nautical writer, Wally Moran, does a very nice job below of summarizing the attributes and demerits of these two alternate AICW passages that lead from Norfolk, VA to North Carolina waters, or the other way around. And, by the way, the text below is copied from Captain Wally’s new “LiveBloggin’ the ICW” site at:
http://bloggingtheicw.blogspot.com/
Will asked me about the two options heading south – the Virginia Cut and the Dismal Swamp. Great question.
Friends doin’ the Dismal
I prefer the Dismal Swamp – it’s wonderfully scenic, as you can see. Good protection from wind, and the stop at Deep Creek Lock to visit Rob, the lockmaster, is always a treat. Leaving the Dismal, you stop by Elizabeth City for a free night’s dockage and the cruisers’ welcome party each evening for a drink, and a rose for the ladies, a tradition started by two locals and now kept up by the city’s Chamber of Commerce.
The only drawback is that the Dismal takes longer to run, and isn’t really feasible for boats drawing over six feet.
The Virginia Cut brings you to Virginia City and the Great Bridge Lock, a marvel to see in and of itself, plus lots of fascinating tugboat and commercial traffic.
I usually do one route on the trip down, and the other on the return, just to enjoy the best of both worlds. The one other proviso is if the exit from the route will permit me to sail on the Albermarle. There is enough distance between them to make a difference in how you trim your sails.
Wally Moran
Hi Claiborne – my blog showed dozens of unexpected hits today – so I looked at my stats and, sure enough, they were coming from here [SSECN]. Maybe you can encourage your readers to add to the list of the World’s Greatest Boating Songs – there will be prizes, such as copies of my video, Sailing South – First Timer’s Guide to the ICW, or Forbidding, Forbidden Cuba. Maybe I can get you to toss in a copy of one of your books? I refuse to give up my copy of your Florida guide, it’s a fun read.
If anyone is curious, they can get a peek at the trailers for both videos at http://www.thesailingchannel.tv/icw or /cuba.
Thanks again Claiborne. Tomorrow, off to start the ICW for the 18th time.
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 13:01:01 -0500
Subject: Fire and Duckweed
From: Donna Stewart
To: Claiborne Young
Happy Thanksgiving to you all and greetings from the Dismal Swamp Canal! Thank you for your help in getting the word out to boaters on a couple of issues. Believe it or not, we are still receiving questions regarding duckweed. Please let your boaters know that duckweed is a summer plant which proliferates when it is very hot and dry. We have not had as issue with this for months!
We are pleased to report the fire in the Great Dismal Swamp National Wildlife Refuge is officially out as of yesterday! Lake Drummond is accessible by dinghy or canoe for those who would like to visit the lake. We all are thrilled this chapter in the Swamp’s history is now in the past! Stay warm if you are still heading south!
Donna Stewart, Director
Dismal Swamp Welcome Center
2356 US Hwy 17 N
South Mills, NC 27976
Phone ~ 252-771-8333
www.DismalSwampWelcomeCenter.com
Goat Island Anchorage will be discovered on the waters of Pasquotank River north of Elizabeth City. Be sure the enter the anchorage behind Goat Island from the southeastern end of the cut.
10/31/2011 Stayed at this anchorage during gale force winds from the NNE. Very good holding. Good protection.
Patty Tate
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Highway 158 Bridge crosses the Dismal Swamp AICW Route at Statute Mile 51, in the heart of downtown Elizabeth City. This is a continuation of construction begun earlier this fall and navigation on the Dismal Swamp Canal route will not be affected.
NC – ATLANTIC INTRACOASTAL WATERWAY (AIWW) – NORFOLK TO ALBERMARLE SOUND – PASQUOTANK RIVER – BRIDGE
CONSTRUCTION: Week 45/11
Mariners are advised that the southern Pasquotank River Bridge, mile 50.7 at Elizabeth City will be raised and locked in the open position for demolition of the bascule spans. The work will take place from the road and nothing will be in the waterway. Workers will stop for boat traffic to proceed through the bridge. The northern bridge will operate as usual. A temporary work bridge will be installed on the southwest side of the southern bridge. The temporary work bridge will not be in the navigational channel at any time and will remain in place throughout the replacement bridge project. Mariners are advised to proceed with caution. Chart : 12206.
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Even though Captain Jim’s account below is taken from a June, 2011 passage of the Dismal Swamp Canal, we thought it contained so MUCH good info, that it deserved a November posting here on the Cruisers’ Net!
Jim is quite correct about the danger of submerged and semi-submerged debris on the canal. It’s best to go slow and take in the sights. Those who are in a hurry would be better served by the North Carolina – Virginia Cut route (a. k. a. Albemarle and Chesapeake Canal).
I took the Dismal Swamp in June form the south and it was beautiful but you need to know a few things first. The locks were on a limited opening schedule of twice a day which I think has changed but you need to confirm that. Second I struck a submerged obstruction and bent my starboard prop about 1.5 miles north of the VA/NC state line. I never saw anything even after we hit it so be very careful. As a side note there was plenty of water depth and it did not go below 7 feet. Thankfully we were at idle speed so the damage was minor. BE careful but even saying that I do not know how I would have avoided it. If your props are more protected than my you might not need to worry. There is a great free dock at the welcome center near the state line with a very good park of hikes into the swamp. If you are interested in nature you can not go wrong. You will likely see wood ducks, many types of wood peckers and as well as other mammals. They have a very nice nature center across form the welcome center docks. When you get to Elizabeth City There are also free dock at the town docks. Enjoy the trip.
Jim Wagner
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Just in case anyone didn’t think the fall 2011 transient season wasn’t well underway. Take a look at this photo!
Robert of Deep Creek Lock squeezed 18 boats in the lock yesterday – we were like sardines in a can. I found the whole thing quite hilarious!
Arnold Parkinson
Pelican Marina guards the Pasquotank’s northern banks, northeast of unlighted daybeacon #8, just across the river from the downtown Elizabeth City, NC waterfront.
Cruising News:
One of the really great things about cruising around is the consistency of friendly service we get time and time again at marinas we have found along the way. An example of this consistently friendly service is the staff at the Pelican Marina, in Elizabeth City. The manager, Josh, came in after hours on a day off, to catch our lines and make us feel welcome.
Bring a little bag of dry cat food with you. There are a half dozen snapping turtles that will come up to the dock at the marina office, and beg for food. Talk about a marina that’s turtle friendly – and not just the MTOA turtles.
This is another spot we will frequent, both North and South bound.
Click Here To View This Facility’s Full Listing of Services on the North Carolina Marina Directory
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The so-called “Carolina Loop” cruise consists of a journey north on the Dismal Swamp Canal, to the Norfolk, VA area. Most cruisers stay here for night or two, then cruise south via the AICW principal route, alternately known as the “North Carolina – Virginia Cut” and the “Albemarle – Chesapeake Canal.” This latter passage flows through a lock at Great Bridge, VA, then down the North Landing River, across a dredged passage bisecting northern Currituck Sound, through a canal bisecting the marina rich, but tiny village of Coinjock, NC, down the North River to a short hop west on the Albemarle Sound, and finally north on the Pasquotank River to Elizabeth City, NC. This latter community is a SALTY SOUTHEAST CRUISERS’ NET SPONSOR, and has the deserved reputation of being one of the most cruiser friendly stops anywhere.
Of course, you can start the loop at any convenient place, and there are variations, but the account above lays out the general route. It’s a great trip!
I did the Carolina Loop last year from up in the Chesapeake to Norfolk then to Coinjock, Elizabeth City, Great Bridge, Norfolk and home. It was a total of 245+/- miles. It is a wonderful short trip with a lot of wilderness and undeveloped river country. It was not a difficult trip from a navigation or logistical point of view but a nice introduction to canal, river, sound and swamp cruising. I recommend it as a test cruise and short adventure for anyone in the Tidewater area. There are three locks (Great Bridge, South Mills and Deep Creek), a few bridges and some open sound to traverse. The only real issue is the limited opening times of the locks. That changes from time to time based on water levels so check before you leave as to what schedule they are operationing on now. In Coinjock there are two marinas for fuel, food and lodging. There are many in Norfolk and Portsmouth and Elizabeth City has free docking at the town docks but not power. Water depth was never an issue but be alert to snags in the Dismal Swamp part and the North Landing River sections. Have a good time.
Jim Wagner
(Daddy’s Dream
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The Great Dismal Swamp Canal route southbound departs the primary AICW – North Carolina-Virginia Cut, south of Norfolk at Statute Mile 7.2 and begins officially at Deep Creek Lock at Mile 10.6.
What great news that the Duck Weed has all but disappeared from the Dismal Swamp Canal. Earlier, we had reports that this pesky growth was clogging raw water intake filters. Now that it’s gone, cruisers who are not in a hurry can make use of this historic and ecologically interesting AICW Alternate Route during the fall, 2011 transient season. This passage provides the additional bonus of carrying your vessel to CRUISER FRIENDLY Elizabeth City at statute mile 50.5. These fine folks are a A SALTY SOUTHEAST CRUISERS’ NET SPONSOR!
Clairborne,
At today’s Rose Buddy reception we had about 15 boaters who had come through the Dismal Swamp and stopped in Elizabeth City. They reported that the duck weed is gone, the water level is high, and it was clear cruising in the Ditch.
Steve Atkinson
Cruising News:
Oct.5, 2011: I spoke with Mr. Robert Peek at Deep Creek Lock. The Dismal Swamp Canal is OPEN, the Duck Weed has been cleared away, and the water table is normal. The fire is about 95% extinguished.
Capt.Bruce Franz
This route is one that MUST be on all East Coast boater’s bucket list. It is gorgeous and now is a good time to do it (cooler, fewer bugs, clearer water). Jim
The Great Dismal Swamp Canal route southbound departs the primary AICW – North Carolina-Virginia Cut, south of Norfolk at Statute Mile 7.2 and begins officially at Deep Creek Lock at Mile 10.6. Elizabeth City at statute mile 50.5 is A SALTY SOUTHEAST CRUISERS’ NET SPONSOR!
We traversed the Dismal Swamp canal today. We highly recommend this route as a quiet, picturesque “Lewis and Clark” channel to reach Elizabeth City. Both locks are on full schedule. The floating debris was no more than usual. Water depth was at least 6.5′ and over 7.5′ in many sections. There was no smoke in the air although the swamp fire is not fully contained. There was no excessive vegetation, as there had been earlier in September.
We’re tied up tonight at Elizabeth City and had a great dinner at Cypress Creek Grill across the street. We’re headed across Albermarle tomorrow before the forecasted front kicks up the wind.
Capt. Wendy Young aboard “Blue Crab” Island Gypsy 32.
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There’s never a shortage of fun activities at this SALTY SOUTHEAST CRUISERS’ NET SPONSOR!!!!
October 1 – October 29, 2011
Downtown Waterfront Market – Only runs on Saturdays.
Location: Mariners Wharf
9:00 am – 1:00 pm
Admission: FREE
Amy Finn: 252-338-0169
http://www.downtownwaterfrontmarket.com
October 1, 2011
Pirates’ Jamboree at the Nags HeadCasino
Dress is casual, but pirate costume theme is optional.
Location: Museum of the Albemarle
7:00 pm – 11:00 pm
Admission: $20 per person in advance / $30 per person at the door
252-335-1453
http://www.museumofthealbemarle.com
October 5, 2011
Wednesday Wine Tasting
Location: The City Wine Sellar
6:00 pm – 7:30 pm
Admission: $15.00 (Reservations Required)
252-335-1163
http://www.citywine.blogspot.com
October 7, 2011
First Friday Art Walk
Various Locations around Downtown Elizabeth City
5:30 pm – 7:00 pm
Admission: FREE
Arts of the Albemarle: 252-338-6455
Red Rabbit Art Gallery: 252-331-2700
The City Wine Sellar: 252-335-1163
http://www.ecncart.com
October 7 & 8, 2011
Elizabeth City Historic Ghost Walk
Location: Downtown Elizabeth City
5:30 pm – 9:30 pm
Admission: $12.00
Elizabeth City Historic
Neighborhood Association: 1-888-936-7387
http://www.historicghostwalk.org
October 14, 2011
Haunted Albemarle · Appropriate for all ages
Location: Museum of the Albemarle
5:00 pm – 7:00 pm
Admission: FREE
252-335-1453
http://www.museumofthealbemarle.com
October 29, 2011
3rd Annual DBPA Harvest Festival
Location: Downtown Elizabeth City
10:00 am – 2:00 pm
Admission: FREE
Susan Hinkle: 252-619-4022
Cindy Williams: 252-338-2328
October 29, 2011
2nd Annual Halloween Bash at Groupers Waterfront Restaurant; Featuring: Dave Cynar Band
Location: Groupers WaterfrontRestaurant
8:00 pm – 12:00 am
Admission: FREE
252-331-2431
Highway 158 Bridge crosses the Dismal Swamp AICW Route at Statute Mile 51, in the heart of downtown Elizabeth City. Navigation on the Dismal Swamp Canal route will not be affected.
LOCAL NOTICE TO MARINERS: Week 39/11
Mariners are advised that a temporary work bridge will be installed on the southwest side of the eastbound bridge over the Pasquotank River, mile 50.7 at Elizabeth City, NC. The temporary platform will not be in the navigational channel at any time and the draw of the bridge will be fully operational. The temporary bridge will be in place throughout the replacement bridge project. Mariners are advised to proceed with caution. Chart: 12206
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"Ladys Island Swing Bridge Opening for Sailboat (Beaufort, SC)"
by: Bob Schwerzel
