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    • Article on Dredging at Problem Stretch, AICW Statute Mile 460, Isle of Palms, SC


      Here’s an interesting article regarding dredging at the Breach Inlet/AICW intersection which has been a Problem Stretch for years due to shoaling and channel shifting.

      US Army Corps of Engineers works to maintain the Atlantic Intracoastal Waterway
      Moultrie News

      Click Here To View the Cruisers’ Net’s “AICW Problem Stretches” Listing For the AICW North of Ben Sawyer Bridge to Isle of Palms Bridge

      Click Here To Open A Chart View Window, Zoomed To This AICW Problem Stretch

       

       

      AREA SPONSORING MARINA

      Click Here To View the South Carolina Cruisers’ Net Marina Directory Listing For Isle of Palms Marina

      Click Here To Open A Chart View Window, Zoomed To the Location of Isle of Palms Marina

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    • Report Submitted to GA DNR by Save Georgia’s Anchorages Committee

      The Save Georgia’s Anchorages Committee’s response to Georgia Legislation HB 201 has been written by three very experienced Waterway cruisers. See Discussion Summary.

      Save Georgia’s Anchorages Committee Position on Proposed New Rules on HB201 to Georgia DNR

      June 10, 2019

      Ladies and Gentlemen:

      The members of the Save Georgia’s Anchorages committee have spent considerable time during the past ten days consulting with and listening to, hundreds of boaters – active east coast boaters – on the subject of the proposed changes to anchoring rules in the State of Georgia that are to be a part of HB201.

      To follow are what we feel are reasonable and acceptable suggestions for proposed language to be approved by the DNR with respect to the new anchoring law passed in Georgia which is to go into effect January 1, 2020.

      Because not everyone reading this will be familiar with just what is involved in big boat cruising, we’ve taken the time to add context to assist in that understanding.

      As a community, cruisers (or transient boaters) desire to be good stewards of the waterways. Georgia has much to offer the cruiser and we believe the cruising community has much to offer the state. We believe we have four mutual goals:

      • Protect the waters we all enjoy from pollution and extend those protections to critical marine life such as shellfish beds.

      • Ensure the waterways are unencumbered by abandoned boats. These are not only an eyesore, but a hazard to navigation.

      • Keep the waterways open for traffic by ensuring anchored vessels do not obstruct passage through the waterways

      • Make Georgia more “boater friendly” to encourage more transient boaters to pass through the state and enjoy what it has to offer.

      Unfortunately, as HB201 is written and from proposals we have seen coming from others, we feel these four goals are at greater risk now than they were before the law was passed. We understand the DNR has the authority to enact regulations that may reverse the negative impacts of the law as written. We implore the DNR to adopt the language we have outlined below (or similar) to meet the needs of the boating community AND the State of Georgia.

      GEORGIA ANCHORING PROPOSALS

      Issue 1: Anchoring Fee

      Vessels in transit are often unable to make schedules due to conditions

      • Schedules are often dictated by forces outside of our control. Timing for passage is based on daylight hours, weather, tides and speed and draft of our vessels.

      Reasons for fee assessment

      • Removal of abandoned vessels.

      • Mitigation of costs thereof, and enforcement costs

      We have been told that the original language of the bill earmarked funds from these permits to mitigate costs of removal of abandoned vessels. It does not appear these earmarks made it into the final bill. As such, we feel the need for this onerous requirement is unwarranted.

      Legal Issues Affecting Fees

      • In the matter of the rights of boats in navigation, the US Supreme Court has ruled against license imposts for anchoring,

      • Anchoring, by law, is an inherent part of navigation.

      We’re not sure what that does to solutions for long term anchoring issues (perhaps nothing, if those vessels can be defined to be “stored” and “not in navigation”), but clearly, it does affect transient cruising boats, and appears to rule out any fee imposts for short term anchoring. In any event, the legal aspects of the issue require clarification by the DNR before moving forward.

      Should fees be determined to be illegal, then we advise that the entire section referencing fees and permits be eliminated in its entirety.

      Citation: Huron Portland Cement Co. v. City of Detroit Mich, Supra at 447;

      Harman v. City of Chicago, 147 US 396, 13 S. Ct. 306 37 L. Ed. 216

      Ruled that a vessel cannot be subjected to local license imposts for the use of a navigable waterway.

      IF fees are legal, we recommend the following language for the regulations:

      “Anchoring fees are waived for vessels remaining in the State of Georgia for a period of less than 90 days. For vessels that remain in Georgia waters beyond 90 days, there are no fees for anchored vessels remaining within a single anchorage, or within one mile of a previous anchorage, for a period of less than seven days.”

      GEORGIA ANCHORING PROPOSALS

      Issue 2: Designated Anchorages

      • Boaters require access to anchorages due to issues of safety,

      • Slow speed makes it impossible for many vessels to reach marinas due to GA’s remoteness

      The law as written indicates that anchoring will be prohibited everywhere except in designated anchorages. We believe that language should be reversed – anchoring should be permitted everywhere, with as few as possible specific exceptions for shellfish beds or specific waterways where anchoring impedes navigation (eg Turner Creek). We recommend the following language be adopted:

      “Anchoring is permitted in all areas of Georgia’s waters except where specifically prohibited. These prohibited areas include established shell fish beds as already defined by the DNR, and specified waters where anchoring impedes the ability of vessels to transit the waterways. Areas where vessels can safely anchor without obstructing channels or navigable waters shall not be designated as restricted areas. These exceptions will be marked as such with appropriate signage or floating markers to identify the area as restricted.”

      Issue 3: Anchoring Setback Distances

      • Boaters agree some degree of setback is required

      • Initial 1000 foot setback unacceptable

      • Setback must be the smallest possible for boater safety and shoreside needs

      Excessively large setback requirements eliminate a very large number of anchorage locations, as was demonstrated by one of our members using Google Maps.

      Were Georgia to adopt a 75’ setback, in line with those of other jurisdictions, it would send a clear message to the boating community that Georgia recognizes the needs of boaters by minimizing any setback. We propose the following wording:

      “Anchoring shall not be permitted within 75’ of an existing structure that extends into the waterways of Georgia. This includes, bridges, dams, docks and other structures that extend 10’ beyond the shoreline. Structures built entirely on land are not included, nor are structures whose purpose is to restrict anchoring.”

      GEORGIA ANCHORING PROPOSALS

      Issue 4: Discharge and Pollution

      • Waste issues are covered by federal legislation

      • Boaters understand that protecting our waterways and the environment is the core intent of the legislation. As written, HB201 will likely have the opposite effect.

      • The Federal Clean Water Act of 1972 established limits on discharge of raw sewage within territorial waters of the United states. since this act took effect it has been unlawful raw sewage into the territorial waters of the United states.

      • Boats with USCG certified treatment systems may discharge the treated effluent except in a No Discharge Zone (NDZ). So far as we are aware, Georgia waters have not been designated as NDZs.

      • No need for bill to deal with waste/pumping overboard issues

      • It is unlawful to discharge the contents of a holding tank or otherwise directly discharge sewage into the territorial waters of the US, and it has been unlawful for at least 40 years. This would seem to render the sanitation portion of the subject Georgia Statutes unnecessary.

      • Difficult for boaters to comply

      • Any requirement for the mechanical removal of component parts of a boat’s plumbing system is a severe hardship and unreasonable imposition on boaters who discharge sewage lawfully beyond the US three-mile limit before entering Georgia estuarine waters.

      • There is no way to document compliance for these boats, which can lead to unneeded misunderstandings with law enforcement officials.

      • HB201 imposes an unreasonable hardship on boats on the ICW and other waters of the state. Many cruising boats take only two or three days to transit low-country estuarine waters and do not require a pumpout.

      • Boats may pump out in a non-Georgia jurisdiction (South Carolina or Florida) prior to entering Georgia state waters, with no way to document compliance with the Georgia statute.

      • A boater who pumped out in South Carolina, transited the low country, and pumped out again in Florida, is in compliance, but unable to meet the newly imposed documentation requirement.

      • Some marinas have pumpout facilities at the boat slip, with the boat’s owner performing the work him/herself. This makes documentation proving pumpout inconvenient and means relying on owner self declaration, which makes any sort of enforcement impossible.

      HB201 is poorly thought out and constitutes an undue burden to boaters engaged in lawful navigation on Georgia Public Trust estuarine waters.

      GEORGIA ANCHORING PROPOSALS

      Unfair to marina businesses

      We feel that any requirement that Georgia’s marinas maintain a record of pumpouts is an excessive, unfair and costly burden on the businesses so affected, and does not provide any benefit to the State, the environment or boaters.

      To that end, we propose that any reference to sewage discharge be deleted from the language in deference to the federal legislation already in place addressing these issues.

      Conclusions:

      The cruising community and the State of Georgia have much to offer one another. We ask that together we take this new law as an opportunity to restore Georgia as a cruising destination, protect her waters and provide safe cruising grounds. Ultimately, a boater/ transient friendly Georgia will benefit us all.

      We recognize that these proposals do not and cannot address every single circumstance that may arise or every concern that other stakeholders may have, but in our opinion, they do address 99% of the circumstances that concern the State of Georgia, transient boaters and boaters living in Georgia as outlined to us by these same boaters. We ask that the DNR and legislators contact us for our opinions, thoughts and advice on other issues that may arise, so that together we can form a mutually acceptable regimen addressing the concerns of all, including thousands of boaters affected by these changes but not represented by those at the table currently.

      Thank you for your time in reviewing these proposals. You may contact the Save Georgia’s Anchorages committee by contacting:

      James Newsome, Jack White, or Wally Moran.

      Respectfully submitted,

      James H. Newsome

      Jack White

      Wally Moran

      (for) Save Georgia’s Anchorages

      Committee Report Author bios

      James Newsome – Lifetime Georgia resident, retired Georgia businessman, cruising sailor, and writer.

      Jack White – Georgia resident, Retired Air Force pilot, former Georgia State Representative, cruising sailor.

      Wally Moran – international cruising sailor, boating journalist, author and speaker, founder of annual Sail to the Sun ICW Rally

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    • An Invitation from Royal Marsh Harbor Yacht Club, Abaco, Northern Bahamas

      Royal Marsh Harbour Yacht Club

      Now that many of you are in southern waters and maybe headed for the Bahamas, don’t miss this opportunity to link with the Royal Marsh Harbour Yacht Club, A CRUISERS NET SPONSOR!

      Are you planning to cruise to the Bahamas?  Come spend some time in the Abacos with the Royal March Harbour Yacht Club.  It’s an easy 60 mile crossing to Little Bahama Bank and then hundreds of miles of cruising amid protected islands and harbours with lots to explore.

      Here are just some of the benefits of joining Royal Marsh Harbour Yacht Club. 

      Affordable initiation fee and annual dues

      Discounts at marinas throughout the Bahamas

      Discounts at restaurants and stores, particularly in the Marsh Harbour area

      Friendly boating community with fun activities

      The best deal in the Bahamas!

      For more information and to become a member, go to www.rmhyc.com.

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    • Good Words for Ortega Landing Marina, off the St Johns River, Jacksonville, FL


      Stop in and give a big Welcome to one of our newest Sponsors! Only a mile or so upstream from downtown Jacksonville, Ortega Landing Marina, now A CRUISERS NET SPONSOR, is the first facility on your starboard as you enter the Ortega River from the St. Johns. Our thanks to Dave and Nan Fuller for these kind words as posted on AGLCA’s Forum.

      We kept our boat for about 18 months at Ortega Landing. We loved both the marina with very nearby conveniences, and Jacksonville itself. It is just past downtown Jacksonville off the St. John’s river about 20 miles or so from the coast on the Ortega River. Tides here are about 18 inches and brackish water. Ortega Landing has floating concrete docks, great amenities, pump outs in slips, and lots of things you want just 3 to 4 blocks away including a Publix, West Marine, several restaurants, and other conveniences. There are several very good repair facilities within a half mile on the river. The only thing missing is covered slips and those are available about 1/4 mile away. Hard to beat this marina and pricing is competitive for this part of Florida.
      Dave & Nan Ellen Fuller
      WACI 3

      Click Here To View the Cruisers Net Eastern Florida Marina Directory Listing For Ortega Landing Marina

      Click Here To Open A Chart View Window, Zoomed To the Location of Ortega Landing Marina

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    • Good Words for Marineland Marina, Marineland, FL, AICW Statute Mile 796


       The Town of Marineland has opened its ports with a brand new marina facility creating a destination for boaters on the Intracoastal Waterway between Daytona Beach and St. Augustine, FL.

      These kind words for CRUISERS NET SPONSOR, Marineland Marina, were posted by Tim Gaffney on AGLCA’s Forum. With many recent facility upgrades and consistently good words from cruisers, Marineland Marina is located in Marineland, FL. See FOCUS ON Marineland Marina for more on this fine facility.

      During our adventures we have spent 3-5 months all told at Marineland, 15 miles South of St. Augustine. Marina looks brand new, Dolphins swim inside the cove, 2 free tickets to see the Marineland scientific research center across the street.
      If memory serves me cost is $1.25 a foot for a monthly stay. I think 30 amp for $35 a month. [See link below for all rates]
      Eric really watches over the boats!
      Did I mention the beach is right across the street?
      Tim Gaffney
      The Home Office

       

      Click Here To View the Eastern Florida Cruisers Net Marina Directory Listing For Marineland Marina

      Click Here To Open A Chart View Window, Zoomed To the Location of Marineland Marina

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    • National Fishing and Boating Week, June 1-9, 2019

      National Fishing and Boating Week is a national celebration highlighting the importance of recreational boating and Fishing. Federal and state land managers host lots of events and offer free fishing days around the country to commemorate National Fishing and Boating Week June 1 -9, 2019.

      National Fishing and Boating Week

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    • NOAA Open House, July 26, Silver Spring, MD

      If you are in the Washington area and have land transportation, this would be a fascinating tour of the NOAA Cartography facilities in Silver Spring.

      Save the Date: NOAA Nautical Cartography Open House 2019

      NOAA’s Office of Coast Survey is pleased to announce that registration for NOAA’s 2019 Nautical Cartography Open house is now open. 
       
       
      NOAA Office of Coast Survey is the nation’s nautical chartmaker. Originally formed by President Thomas Jefferson in 1807, Coast Survey updates charts, surveys the coastal seafloor, responds to maritime emergencies, and searches for underwater obstructions that pose a danger to navigation.   
       
      # # #
       
       
      NOAA Office of Coast Survey, 1315 East-West Highway, SSMC3 #6216, Silver Spring, MD 20906

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    • Roger Long on Georgia’s Anchoring Permits

      An experienced Waterway cruiser, Roger Long continues to contribute to the discussions on Georgia’s new restrictive anchoring laws. See Roger Long Comments.
       
      The permit program is a disaster waiting to happen – for Georgia as well as cruisers who love the state.  It seems so simple and the cost is modest.  However…
       
      Nothing spoils the ambiance and experience of being anchored in a remote and beautiful spot like seeing a boat with a flashing blue light coming at you.   Am I going to have to stop watching the sunset and spend the next half hour showing my papers and watching them put dye in the head?  Requiring a permit taped to a window raises the prospect of a law enforcement officers going by each anchored boat it sees close enough to check the permit and read the number of nights purchased.   Then, they have to determine how many nights the boat has actually anchored.  That means either an Orwellian tracking data base or the need to stop and talk to the vessel.  This can only work as written if there are just a few approved anchorage areas in the state that can be monitored.  Just the need of law enforcement having to cruise by close enough to read a document on the window will cause many to either avoid the inside route or zip through just as fast as they can.  I’ve had people tell me that they avoid the state just because of the signs saying it is illegal to sleep on your boat more than 30 days a year.  It wasn’t that they planned to stay longer but because they didn’t want to have to establish to law enforcement how long they had been there.  I know this almost never happened but perception will keep people away just as well as fact.
       
      Permits online?  There are many boats that cruise without Internet.   Sure, you can get the permit before you leave home but I’ve never gone into Georgia knowing how many nights I plan to spend there.  That depends on weather and whim.  Even on our 43 footer, we don’t carry a printer.   If we purchased four nights and need another, what are we going to do?  If a boat has purchased 5 nights and learns that Sunbury Crab Company is a must stop but it means another day, they are less likely to make the run up the river and spend money there. 
       
      We hear that the permits won’t be enforced but are just a tool to get a handle on abandoned vessels.  Even if that is true, having laws on the books with no intent to enforce is terrible public policy.  It is an invitation to abuse and the economic and racial profiling the south already has a bad reputation for.   Furthermore, there will be little control over how this law enforcement tool is used in the future.   Marina and waterfront property owners will exert pressure to check every vessel and, while they are at it, inspect the heads and papers.   Local jurisdictions will use it as grant and budget writing support for additional boats and then need to justify them. This is what happened in Florida.  They lost the fight to restrict anchoring so pressure was put on law enforcement to aggressively inspect anchored vessels.  It got so bad that even the marina and shore business owners finally said, “Stop”.  Now you can cruise the state in relative peace. 
       
      The DNR should have the flexibility to resolve problems like this within the final regulatory language.  The question is whether they have the knowledge of cruising culture and the will to resist the pressure of interests that want to drastically restrict anchoring.  Wording is powerful.   “Every vessel intending to remain anchored *in one location for more than seven days* shall obtain a permit.”  Put “overnight” inside the ** and you have a completely different situation.  The first version would accomplish everything we are told is the aim of the law regarding derelict and abandoned vessels without significantly changing the status quo. I haven’t had a chance to review the law.  Perhaps it has language that would restrict the DNR from making this adjustment in which case the state is going to become even more remote and less crowded.    Marina and waterfront property owners will like the second version and can be expected to fight for it.  The marina owners will come to regret it if they win.  Consider our case.  We cruise Georgia for the anchoring experience but the time spent usually results in a night at one of our favorite marinas because we need to re-supply and to pump out.  If there is a restrictive and enforced permit program for short term overnight anchoring, no marina in the state will see us or our money again.  We’ll join those running down the outside or make just a single midway stop in one of the approved anchorage areas.

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    • James Newsome Comments on Georgia’s New Anchoring Law

      Another Georgian and experienced yachtsman and Waterway cruiser, James Newsome, shares his thoughts on Georgia’s new restrictive anchoring legislation. See Anchoring Under Attack in Georgia?

      Reply to Bob Keller and my thoughts on the anchoring debate in Georgia,

      You wrote, “As a 30+ year resident of Georgia this law is the most outrageous I have seen. This is a classic case of legislators voting on bills proposed that they have no idea about and no knowledge of what they are doing. Just trying to cast their vote so they can go on summer break and don’t have a clue what they are voting about. Disgusting really. Would like to know who sponsored and introduced this bill? Then who voted on it. They had no lobbying pushback so they voted Yea on a bill they had no clue about. Sickening. This is an embarrassment to the residents and voters of Georgia. Georgia is an afterthought on the east coast ICW and this nonsense will ensure that GA is nonexistent.”

      A Senator and Representative from St. Simon’s Island and Brunswick sponsored the bill. And apparently the only lobbying group was the GA Marine Business Association or GAMBA. It’s interesting that (apparently) none of the normal waterway associations or groups knew about this legislation in last month. This includes Brad Pickel with the Atlantic Intracoastal Waterway Association, Waterway Guide, or Cruisers Net. To say that this bill flew under the radar is an understatement, and I don’t think this was by accident.

      The bill pretends to address concerns about liveaboards, anchoring, and possibly derelict vessels, but I believe these are simply a ruse for the real purpose. What we need to know is the nexus for this law. We know that the Georgia DNR Coastal Resource Division and GAMBA were involved, but whose interests were being represented?

      Let’s look at the public record so far from Doug Haymans of the Coastal Resource Division of DNR. In addition to removing the term “liveaboard” from all rules “the proposed amendments would create rules for over-night and long-term anchoring in the estuarine area of the state and establish an anchorage permit.” Hayman goes on to state that current law “doesn’t allow a live-aboard outside of an eligible marina.”

      So now with the already passes amendments to HB201, DNR states that the main purpose is to establish rules for “for overnight or long-term anchoring in the estuarine areas of the state” by creating a new boating regulation.

      Fortunately, GA law requires assessment of the economic impact on small businesses as part of any rule change. Here’s what Hayman has presented. “All the businesses possibly affected by this rule employ less than 100 persons. There are no additional costs to businesses, such as marinas, and if anything, these rules may direct additional customers to eligible facilities. For many years, Georgia has been viewed by transient boaters as unfriendly to their activities. The proposed amended rules should have the added benefit of opening Georgia estuarine waters to more transient boaters and therefore more business for coastal marinas.”

      I think the phrase “these rules may direct additional customers to eligible facilities” is the real purpose of this amendment to HB201, and also why GAMBA is so involved. Does anyone with any sense really think that creating a permitting process, telling boaters where they can and cannot anchor, and charging boaters for anchoring is going to add benefit of opening Georgia waters to more transient boaters? At least we now understand how this is going to direct customers to eligible facilities (commercial marinas).
      There is nothing about this change to HB201 that is friendly to Georgia boaters or transient boaters. It is heavy handed overreach of government and a thinly veiled effort to drive transient boaters to commercial marinas.
      I have defended and advocated for cruisers to not bypass Georgia on their semiannual migrations. I’ve written many articles about Georgia’s wonderful cruising destinations and debated on social media platforms against folks who blatantly said to skip Georgia when asked for cruising advice. But I cannot defend this action by our state’s DNR and I am embarrassed that this has happened to us.

      In the coming days and weeks, I think we will learn more about the changes to this law and I think the hand will be pointed to a few folks who are greedily trying to use their influential positions to line their pockets. I hope I’m wrong, I really do.

      James Newsome

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      1. Roger Long -  June 3, 2019 - 6:18 pm

        The permit program is a disaster waiting to happen – for Georgia as well as cruisers who love the state. It seems so simple and the cost is modest. However…

        Nothing spoils the ambiance and experience of being anchored in a remote and beautiful spot like seeing a boat with a flashing blue light coming at you. Am I going to have to stop watching the sunset and spend the next half hour showing my papers and watching them put dye in the head? Requiring a permit taped to a window raises the prospect of a law enforcement officers going by each anchored boat it sees close enough to check the permit and read the number of nights purchased. Then, they have to determine how many nights the boat has actually anchored. That means either an Orwellian tracking data base or the need to stop and talk to the vessel. This can only work as written if there are just a few approved anchorage areas in the state that can be monitored. Just the need of law enforcement having to cruise by close enough to read a document on the window will cause many to either avoid the inside route or zip through just as fast as they can. I’ve had people tell me that they avoid the state just because of the signs saying it is illegal to sleep on your boat more than 30 days a year. It wasn’t that they planned to stay longer but because they didn’t want to have to establish to law enforcement how long they had been there. I know this almost never happened but perception will keep people away just as well as fact.

        Permits online? There are many boats that cruise without Internet. Sure, you can get the permit before you leave home but I’ve never gone into Georgia knowing how many nights I plan to spend there. That depends on weather and whim. Even on our 43 footer, we don’t carry a printer. If we purchased four nights and need another, what are we going to do? If a boat has purchased 5 nights and learns that Sunbury Crab Company is a must stop but it means another day, they are less likely to make the run up the river and spend money there.

        We hear that the permits won’t be enforced but are just a tool to get a handle on abandoned vessels. Even if that is true, having laws on the books with no intent to enforce is terrible public policy. It is an invitation to abuse and the economic and racial profiling the south already has a bad reputation for. Furthermore, there will be little control over how this law enforcement tool is used in the future. Marina and waterfront property owners will exert pressure to check every vessel and, while they are at it, inspect the heads and papers. Local jurisdictions will use it as grant and budget writing support for additional boats and then need to justify them. This is what happened in Florida. They lost the fight to restrict anchoring so pressure was put on law enforcement to aggressively inspect anchored vessels. It got so bad that even the marina and shore business owners finally said, “Stop”. Now you can cruise the state in relative peace.

        The DNR should have the flexibility to resolve problems like this within the final regulatory language. The question is whether they have the knowledge of cruising culture and the will to resist the pressure of interests that want to drastically restrict anchoring. Wording is powerful. “Every vessel intending to remain anchored *in one location for more than seven days* shall obtain a permit.” Put “overnight” inside the ** and you have a completely different situation. The first version would accomplish everything we are told is the aim of the law regarding derelict and abandoned vessels without significantly changing the status quo. I haven’t had a chance to review the law. Perhaps it has language that would restrict the DNR from making this adjustment in which case the state is going to become even more remote and less crowded. Marina and waterfront property owners will like the second version and can be expected to fight for it. The marina owners will come to regret it if they win. Consider our case. We cruise Georgia for the anchoring experience but the time spent usually results in a night at one of our favorite marinas because we need to re-supply and to pump out. If there is a restrictive and enforced permit program for short term overnight anchoring, no marina in the state will see us or our money again. We’ll join those running down the outside or make just a single midway stop in one of the approved anchorage areas.

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