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    • Burnt Store Marina and Country Club (off the Western Florida ICW on Charlotte Harbor)

      The vast complex known as Burnt Store Marina and Country Club guards the eastern banks of Charlotte Harbor, not far from this body of waters’s southerly mouth. There is just about everything to be found here that a cruiser could ask for, except a nearby town or business district.

      My wife and I live here so my comments may be a bit skewed as we think this is a wonderful marina. It is certainly one of the largest marinas on the west coast of FL. We are a bit isolated but we have three 9-hole golf courses with a club house where you can get pub type foods and beverages. Portabello’s restaurant is the large restaurant located in the south (main) basin that is next to the ship store and fuel dock. Included with your slip fees are a swimming pool and shower house/laundry facilities. Pump outs are also available at the fuel dock. Tennis is available across the street for a fee at the community health club. The closest grocery stores (Publix) are about 9 miles in either direction off of Burnt Store Rd. There is a lot of room for bike riding and walks throughout the community. The whole property is a gated community with 24 hour guard service. If you need a place to stay for a night or a few months this is a great place to hang out. We discovered Burnt Store in 1995 and have been residents since around 2000. If you boat and golf this is a real bonus marina for you! If not it is still one of the best marinas in SW Florida!
      Mike

      Click Here To View the Cruisers’ Net’s Western Florida Marina Directory Listing For Burnt Store Marina and Country Club

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    • Fishermen’s Village Yacht Basin (off the Western Florida ICW, on Charlotte Harbor/Peace River

      Fishermen’s Village is the largest marina in Punta Gorda, and, unlike the Laisley Park Marina, cruising craft do not have to contend with any bridges to reach this former facility. Just next door to the Fishermens Village Marina is an enclosed shopping and dining complex, and the downtown business is a four to five block walk away. Very convenient!

      Very nice marina. Good restaurants and shopping next door. The marina offers courtesy bikes for no cost with their own bikes and also through the city of Punta Gorda for no cost as well. A very nice bike path takes you east towards Laishley Park and marina with some beautiful views of the river. The path ends in the historic downtown area of Punta Gorda. We highly recommend Fisherman’s Village marina. PS’¦the locals call it `Fishville’. Now you sound `local’.
      Mike

      Click Here To View the Cruisers’ Net’s Western Florida Marina Directory Listing For Fishermen’s Village Yacht Basin

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    • Punta Gorda Waterfront Anchorage Beach Dinghy Dockage (Charlotte Harbor – Peace River, just off the Punta Gorda Waterfront)

      Punta Gorda Waterfront Anchorage Beach Dinghy Dockage

      I recently had the good fortune to visit with several yacht clubs in the charming, boat-rich community of Punta Gorda, Florida, and, during this same visit, I met with “Team Punta Gorda.” Among any number of worthwhile projects, this commendable private – public partnership group is working hard to promote Punta Gorda as a cruising destination. We join with them in suggesting that the cruising community make the acquaintance of this friendly community, which features two commercial marinas, two Florida Yacht Council Yacht Clubs and several good anchorages. What’s not to love!The note and photos below from Captain Jake Dye were sent to us as a result of my presentation to Team Punta Gorda. The anchorage in question lies just off the Punta Gorda waterfront, southwest of (downstream of) the Highway 41 fixed bridges.

      Hi Claiborne,Great having you in Punta Gorda and your presentation to TEAM was spot on. I attached a couple of photos from our anchorage and our `beach’ dinghy landing. I think we’re all energized to get something moving on a dinghy dock. Thanks again, and look forward to your next visit.The “beach” dinghy landing is 26.56.102N, 82.3 (56°6.12N / 082°18W).318W, at Gilchrist Park.Jake DyeThere are some of us who stopped here while cruising and ended up buying a house.Mary DixonLooking for a place to live in 1970 and found this place with a job and it had all I wanted, water to sail on, access to the Gulf, access to the coast where one can find a safe place each night with the option to over night to the keys, land to ride motorcycle in the woods, race car track,. What else could one be looking for, oh yes it has golfing also. But top off the list local racing and cruising of sailboats with hoes on the water where my boat could be behind my home. A little shallow for some deep draft boats but then so are the Keys but deep enough for good cruising boats.Dennis PeckWhere did you buy the house. I am wondering about Punta Gorda and the North and South Forks of Alligator Creek. How deep is that water at low tide in winter? Worried about sailboat access.WayneWayne,Tthere is a section of Punta Gorda Isles that is called the sailboat section. There are no bridges to Charlotte Harbor. Any realtor can show you where that is. We are 5 minutes from the Harbor.Mary DixonNot real dinghies’¦ No deflated tubes, no homemade covers and no patches!Bill BettsWe lived aboard in Punta Gorda for several winters and loved the town so much we bought a condominium here on the Peace River ( Emerald Pointe) where we keep our boat.Marsha Case

      Dinghies Pulled Up on Beach Adjacent to Punta Gorda Waterfront Anchorage

      Click Here To View the Cruisers’ Net’s Western Florida Anchorage Directory Listing For Punta Gorda Waterfront AnchorageClick Here To Open A Chart View Window, Zoomed To the Location of Punta Gorda Waterfront Anchorage

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    • Info on Burnt Store Marina (off the Western Florida ICW, on Charlotte Harbor)

      Southwest Florida YachtsBurnt Store Marina is a large, well sheltered marina flanking the southeastern shores of Charlotte Harbor, well south of Punta Gorda. To be succinct, this is a superb facility, with two restaurants, an on-site variety/convenience store and some repair capabilities. And, if that’s not enough for you, Burnt Store is the headquarters of two major southwestern Florida charter operations, including SALTY SOUTHEAST CRUISERS’ NET SPONSOR, Southwestern Florida Yachts.
      The message below comes from Burnt Store’s harbormaster, Captain Peggy Wark, and was originally directed at AGLCA members. However, I’ve condensed it to info that applies to all cruisers.
      Give Burnt Store a try! You won’t be sorry!!!!

      We are in the middle of our visiting club season so make sure you call ahead to make your reservations. Our ratesare $14.50 per month and $1.50 per day and don’t forget if you stay three days you get the fourth day free. One lucky boater has already taken advantage of this great deal. Make your reservations by calling 941-637-0083.
      We have two restaurants, fitness center and heated pool and if you care todo so you can also play golf. We will provide you with transportation to and from the golf course. We are a secure, gated community with friendlypeople.
      So plan to put us on your list when traveling through southwest Florida.
      Fair winds and calm seas,
      Capt. Peggy Wark
      Harbour Master

      Click Here To View the Cruisers’ Net’s Western Florida Marina Directory Listing For Burnt Store Marina

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    • Punta Gorda Mooring Field Ready For Business (Charlotte Harbor – Peace River)

      During the morning of 9/1/11, we heard from Captain Jay Buckley, Chairman of the Punta Gorda Waterfront Development Advisory Commission. Captain Jay gave us excellent details about a mooring field recently established by the city of Punta Gorda, on the western mouth of the Peace River, a short hop east of the Highway 41 Bridge, and the charted overhead power cable.
      This field consists of 32 balls, and is administered by nearby Laishely Park Municipal Marina. Call 941-575-0142 for information and to reserve a mooring.
      One caveat to this field is that your vessel must be able to clear the fixed 45-foot Highway 41 bridges to access the moorings. Taller sailcraft are out of luck!
      Mariners moored in the field can make use of dinghy dockage at Laishley Park Municipal Marina. A host of shoreside businesses, including quite a collection of restaurants, are in easy walking distance of this facility. Ask the friendly staff at Laishleys for recommendations.
      So, now there is another wet storage opportunity available to facilitate a visit to charming Punta Gorda. See you there!

      Click Here To View the Cruisers’ Net’s Western Florida Anchorage Directory Listing For The Punta Gorda Mooring Field

      All enjoyed Punta Gorda and their Marina, hope it is a success for all and other towns and |cities pay attention to how to bring in business.
      Dennis McMurtry

      It is too bad that the mooring field is east of a 45′ bridge. I think there is a dock to dinghy up to and there are few places within walking distance.
      Since my mast is 60′ I usually anchor west of the bridge off Fisherman’s Villiage where there are many restaurants and shops. If you are not going to spend the night you can tie up along side the shops and restaurants. The marina usually has slips also.
      I hope the field does well but there is more to see and do at Fisherman’s Village.
      Jerry & Linda Villines

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    • Anchoring Hassles in Edgewater Lake, off Peace River in Charlotte Harbor, Port Charlotte, FL


      First of all, let’s locate the anchorage where the series of events described below is centered. Edgewater Lake is accessed via a canal which cuts off the northern shores of upper Charlotte Harbor/lower Peace River, just across the way from the Punta Gorda waterfront. These waters are indeed recommended as an anchorage in both my “Cruising Guide to Western Florida” and here on the Cruisers’ Net.
      Secondly, if we believe Captain Ritchie’s assertion below that they “sail and/or maintain multiple times per week” their vessel, clearly this craft is NOT a derelict or a “live aboard hulk.”
      So, this is pretty clearly a case where the adjacent land owners simply do not want to see anchored vessels when they go out into their back yards. IN MY OPINION, THIS IS PRECISELY THE SORT OF INSTANCE THE 2009 FLORIDA STATE ANCHORING LAW WAS MEANT TO ADDRESS. According to this law, as most of you already know, LOCAL MUNICIPAL AND COUNTY AUTHORITIES HAVE NO RIGHT TO DENY ANCHORAGE ON THESE OR ANY OTHER WATERS TO ANY CRAFT (unless it is abandoned or a “live aboard hulk,” which, to be repetitive, this vessel is not).
      It’s just this sort of instance which paints all of Florida in a bad light, and why when I talk to cruising groups in the Carolinas, Georgia or the non-Floridian Gulf coast, generally the second or third query in my question and answer sessions goes something like, “Should we take our boats to Florida?”
      But, all of Florida is NOT like this. Places like Fort Myers Beach could not be more welcoming to the cruising community, and really this positive attitude towards cruisers is the rule, not the exception. However, let an incident like the Volusia County Sheriff’s office boardings of last fall happen, or what is described below, and mariners begin to have very real, very legitimate questions about whether they should avoid Floridian waters entirely.
      Well, that’s today’s unsolicited editorial. Read on and discover what prompted this stream of consciousness.

      On Tuesday, May 10, 2011, I wrote this letter to a Florida attorney who is interested in violations of Florida’s anchoring laws by local municipalities, in this case, Charlotte County.
      May 10, 2011
      Ahoy! My name is Rick Ritchie. I am a Michigan Resident staying at my mother’s house in Port Charlotte, Florida. My family and I have a 37 Irwin sailboat (registered in FL) which we sail and/or maintain multiple times per week. We anchor in Edgewater Lake, a small cove just off of North Charlotte Harbor, which is listed as an anchorage in Claiborne Young’s Cruisers’ Guide and on Cruisers.net (an online cruising guide), also designated as an anchorage on Florida’s FWC nautical chart (the one that is published for FWC for boaters). It is designated anchorage number 7 on FWC chart SGEB-61. Even the two unhappy local lake-shore landowners concede that it is an anchorage. Of course, as you know, even if it were not designated, as such, anchoring there would still be legal because it is a navigable part of Charlotte Harbor, Florida. The “anchorage” designation by FWC is just a redundancy.
      We (my family and I) have been “talked to” by the Charlotte County sheriff’s office, twice, and told to move our boat. They have told us that this navigable lake is not an anchorage. In both instances I was able to demonstrate to the officer that my boat was (and is) legally anchored. I did this by showing them the aforementioned FWC nautical chart and the reference in the cruiser’s guide. The last deputy sheriff’s parting words were that he is NOT telling us we have to move it (even though that is exactly what he told us to do at the beginning of the dialog), but that there is a time limit on the anchoring of boats in Charlotte county. My wife asked him. “what is the time limit?” and he said that he didn’t know. Then he left.
      Also, we were asked to attend a meeting of the neighborhood association (actually, just two homeowner couples showed up) to discuss my boat. The short version of the meeting is that they don’t like to look at boats anchored in “their water.” It was, actually, a gripe session where my wife and I politely listened and responded to their questions and managed to avoid rising to their baited and barbed comments and insults. One of them even offhandedly threatened us. Of course his wife said that he was not serious. (our anchor line has been cut twice while anchored there, quite probably by someone who lives nearby. We now have all chain.)
      Before you jump to the wrong conclusion, we have friendly relationships with many of the homeowners around the lake, even getting invited to use a homeowners dock for our dinghy, and another homeowner is smitten with our children and invites us into their home for beverages. So only two homeowners, it seems, are calling the sheriff and complaining. Unfortunately, the Sheriff’s office seems to dance to their tune.
      One more thing (promise): According to one of our several friends who lives on that anchorage’s shore, the sheriff’s boat has been visiting our boat on a regular basis (lately, almost daily). Today, it seems, they even tied onto it. I don’t know if they boarded it, or not. We were at my mother’s house a few miles away, at the time. That’s where we usually are if we aren’t on the water.
      This is all for your information. If you have any advise or questions please feel free to email me.
      Sincerely,
      Rick Ritchie

      More on this Charlotte Harbor Anchoring Hassle:
      May 15, 2011
      First, let me emphasize this: Deputy Katsarelas was polite during the entire phone conversation– even when I told him that he was wrong about the anchoring law. If he was unhappy about it, I couldn’t tell. He continued to be polite and professional.
      Second, I understand that this letter may find its way to the Sheriff’s office. For that reason I have been careful to be accurate in this testimony and faithful in my recreation of the events and
      quotations. Other than my speculations, which I have identified as such, this is as accurate as I can make it.
      Read on:
      My boat was just tagged as an “At-Risk of becoming derelict” vessel by Deputy Sheriff Katsarelas of the Charlotte County Sheriff Department. When I spoke with him on the phone, today, he said that the citation was based on another complaint by an Edgewater Lake homeowner. He also stated that he (Katsarelas) has never seen anybody aboard my vessel. I explained that I have been on-board my boat weekly, usually more than once per week. I also informed him that some friendly homeowners on the lake could verify this.
      [Maybe he hasn’t seen me aboard my boat because, until last week, he only patrols Edgewater Lake for a few minutes out of every month… just a guess]
      Specifically, the tag that he left on my boat states that my vessel has been identified as being “at risk of becoming a derelict vessel.” The reason stated on the tag is that my vessel is “neglected, improperly maintained, or is not able to be used for navigation.”
      This is untrue. As I stated in the letter to ATTY Dickerson, which you posted on Cruisersnet, my wife and I visit my boat multiple times per week to maintain and/or sail her.
      We don’t always get to sail her, but we ALWAYS are able to get out there and take care of her, start the engine, air it out, install a redundant bilge-pump, add another battery, replace
      hoses, replace anchor line with chain, etc..
      Deputy Katsarelas suggested that I moor my boat at my house instead of anchoring on the lake.
      After I explained to the Deputy that I was within my rights to anchor there, and cited the Florida statute, he informed me that the County has more strict anchoring regulations.
      And I quote from Deputy Katsarelas of the Charlotte County Sheriff’s Department: during today’s phone conversation:
      “The County has more binding regulations than the State.”
      “The county has the right to add to the State regulations.”
      “[County regulations] …are in-addition to State regulations”
      When I informed him that he was in error, I gave him the specific statute (327.60) which specifically states that local municipalities are prohibited from enacting , continuing in effect, or enforcing any ordinance or regulation regulating the anchoring of vessels other than live-aboards. Deputy Katsarelas then stated that he was not current on the new anchoring laws.
      Again, a quote from Deputy Katsarelas:
      “I’m not up on the new anchoring laws.”
      So I offered to give him a copy of the new regulations and a copy of Boat US’s summary of the new law. He said that I could do that if I wanted to.
      So now my boat is listed in the new State-wide database of Derilict vessels. I wonder if this might be a prelude to an accusation of vessel abandonment? Swell!!!
      I guess I will send him a copy of the statute and a copy of Boat U.S.’s summary of the anchoring laws. I suspect that it won’t help, though. Maybe it’s just because a few of them make numerous complaints, but the unhappy Edgewater Lake homeowners seem to have some sort of special influence over the sheriff’s office. I speculate that I will now be hounded by the sheriff’s office.
      It would be cool if a more official type person would send the statute and a legal opinion of it to Deputy Katsarelas and the Sheriff’s Department of Charlotte County — perhaps a member of
      the BAR.
      I wonder what the sheriff dept. has in store for me? Boardings? Safety Inspections? Home visitations? Towing my vessel?
      I wonder what the unhappy homeowners have in store for me: More anchor rode cuttings (I now have chain so it’ll have to be with bolt cutters, this time)?
      Anyway, Edgewater Lake, designated as an anchorage in the cruisers guides and FWC charts (not that it needs to be), is a little less than friendly.
      P.S. In the interest of fairness and completeness, the tag that was left on my boat also stated thatthe registration numbers are not in contrast with the hull color. To that, I have to admit that Deputy
      Katsarelas may have a point. I informed him that I will the numbers from black to white and he said that would be acceptable.
      Again, this is for your information. I hope that someone out there can make good use of it.
      Rick Ritchie

      This situation is truly unfortunate and also an opportunity. Although, I’™m not a lawyer I believe it is illegal for even the police to board your boat without your invitation. I would speak to your shore side friends about setting up a video surveillance(VS). Post the boat with a sign, and file charges after the violation. At the very least, you might make it known that there is VS on your boat. Harassment of this type is unacceptable and the police should be investigating who cut you rode.
      Marc Sexton

      Now, here is a well-thought note that demands some serious consideration. Read Captain Kewley’s comments first, and then peruse my editorial remarks afterward:

      Mr Ritchie,
      I would like to offer some thought to clarify a couple of points that you make in your post.I believe that the sea floor in Edgewater Lake is owned by Charlotte County since the lake like the waterways are not natural bodies of water, indicating why the County Sheriff would be involved in policing anchored boats there. This also brings into question whether the rules on anchoring in Florida State waters apply.
      I think the crux of the issue lies with the point at which an untended boat becomes a hazard or derelict. I do not believe that the residents around Edgewater Lake object to overnight or short-term anchoring since I visit the location fairly frequently. However you use the anchorage as a long-term storage facility for your Irwin while staying with relatives miles away and apparently have done so periodically for a couple of years. Barnacles growing up your anchor rode in the past have indicated infrequent movement of your boat.
      As the 2011 Hurricane season approaches and I wonder if the residents surrounding Edgewater Lake should feel reassured that your liability coverage will be adequate to compensate them should your boat’™s chain anchor rode not withstand storm conditions.I think that it is a matter of reasonable consideration for others, and storing your boat for free, anchored near someone’™s backyard for months at a time certainly is inconsiderate at best.
      Clifford Kewley

      Captain Kewley raises at least three interesting questions in his note above. First, there is matter of whether Florida anchoring law applies to bottomland that is the result of man-made action, e. g. dredging. I have heard some say yes and some say no. However, I do clearly recall in my political science classes, that “Federal law supercedes state law, and state law supercedes local and county statutes.” Given that truism, one must conclude that there is at least a distinct possibility that the 2009 Florida state anchoring law applies even to bottom lands that are the result of dredging. For a more definitive answer, we must defer to the lawyers among us. If anyone practicing the legal profession would like to weigh in, and please do so, then click the “Comment on This Posting/Marina/Anchorage/Bridge” link below, and share your information.

      Secondly, there is the matter of how long should a well maintained, non-abandoned vessel that is in compliance with all safely and MSD regulations, be allowed to anchor in one place. In my 2010 editorial entitled, “Whence Come the Anchorage Regulations,” (/florida-anchoring-editorial-1-whence-come-the-anchorage-regulations), I wondered out loud:

      “Finally, that leaves the case of what I will call `responsible liveaboards,’ boat owners who religiously come to the dock (or use a `honey boat’) to have their holding tanks pumped, don’™t throw trash overboard, don’™t make loud noise, don’™t’™ trespass, and keep their vessels attractive and well secured. How long should a mariner of this ilk be allowed to anchor his or her vessel in the same spot?”

      I don’t have an answer for this instance to this day. Anyone else????

      And, finally, there is the question of damage caused by anchored vessels during a violent storm or a hurricane. A legitimate concern to be sure, but in the case of Captain Ritchie, since he is clearly in close contact with his vessel, there should be ample time for him to move his craft before a hurricane hits. Thus, I tend to think this question is a non-issue!

      Click Here To View the Cruisers’ Net’s Western Florida Anchorage Directory Listing For Edgewater Lake

      Some may question whether or not someone `should’ anchor a boat for long term storage like this, but it is crystal clear that it is perfectly legal to do so according to Florida and Federal statute. The issues about a potential for hurricane damage and being `untended’ are bogus’“if this was the standard throughout Florida nobody could anchor or tie up anyplace for more than a few days. The sheriff is just hunting for something, anything to allow him to make this boater move along.
      John Kettlewell

      Dear Captain Young
      Thanks for stimulating a very interesting discussion and spotlighting the issue of anchoring rights. Kinda brings to mind the Paul Simon lyric in discussing apartment living,”one man’s ceiling is another man’s floor”.
      Your essay/editorial “whence come the Anchorage Regulations” and your message discusses responsible live-aboards. In the case of Mr Ritchie, substitute the term responsible long-term storage behind someone else’s home.
      I do not know the legalities of whether ownership of the sea floor determines the applicable regulation of anchoring and, hopefully some “sea lawyers will opine on the issue.
      Clif Kewley

      Dear Clifford Kewley,
      With all due respect, you seem to be confusing my boat with another one that was, in fact, abandoned on the lake and was finally removed a few months ago (by whom, I have no idea). It was a boat called the `Wild Hare’ and it did, indeed, have a barnacle-ball the size of a basketball on the anchor rode. It also had a missing companionway hatch so it was completely exposed to the elements. Its hull had a barnacle-covering that made it resemple an oyster farm. The `Wild Hare’ was there when I first discovered Edgewater Lake a year ago. My friends on the lake have told me that `Wild Hare’ had been there for 2 years. This, however, is NOT my boat. My anchor rode has NEVER had a barnacle ball. Secondly, I have owned my boat for only 12 months, four of which I kept her at a dock on the Ackerman waterway (e.g. from November 2010 to February 2011), and several other weeks I kept her on the harbor, next to another anchored cruiser (Jim). So your assertion that I have been storing it on Edgewater Lake for `years’ is mistaken. I maintain my boat, regularly, including the achor rigging, which I have had to replace’¦ thrice’¦ in the last year. More importantly, I SAIL MY BOAT! True, it is on the lake much more often than it is under sail, still I get to sail her reasonably often.
      So, I am now keeping a log of my visits to my boat. I don’™t suppose it will make any difference to the disgruntled landowners, but I am recording what I do during each visit. And thanks to the local police, I will now have their official verification that I was on my boat to find the tag that they left, and was there on another occasion to replace the reg. numbers with more contrasting colored ones. So between the police and the friendly landowners I should easily be able to substantiate my claim of twice per week.
      So, my question to you is (this is a serious question, I have no ill-will loaded up here because I believe it was an honest mistake): How long should I stay away from Edgewater lake between anchorings; And, how long should I be able to anchor my boat there, each time?
      Please accept my apology for anything in this letter that seems less than polite. I find that the brevity of email sometimes impersonates rudeness. I do not mean to sound harsh or rude, especially to a fellow sailor.
      Yours sincerely,
      Rick Ritchie

      Mr. Ritchie,
      I am not sure of your legal right to anchor/wet store your vessel in Edgewater Lake for long periods of time. So to move the discussion along and avoid the on-line `huffing and puffing’ about anchoring rights in Florida, lets change the scenario.
      Lets say that you worked long hours for many years and sacrificed to save money to enable you and your family to enjoy your favorite locale and lifestyle. A beautiful mountain community where you paid extra for a building lot to build your home with an unimpeeded view of the mountains. Nice!
      Now lets assume that a local mountain view lover from the next town decided to situate and store his motorhome on the right of way just left of your center view of the mountains, obstructing, oh maybe 10% of your view, and he WAS legally able to do so.
      Now my thought on this is that the lot owner, you, would probably not mind or be too upset if the visitor stayed for a weekend, or maybe a week but’¦.
      If it is only about what is legal then we are in big trouble as a society.
      Clif Kewley

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      Comments from Cruisers (4)

      1. Rick Ritchie -  May 10, 2019 - 4:55 pm

        So whatever became of Captain Ritchie's Irwin 37 on Edgewater Lake? We were never forced to leave Edgewater Lake, although we had to defend our rights many times while we remained. My family got tired of the hassles, vandalism, police visits, and neighborhood meetings, so we sold our boat. Making a point, is one thing, but sticking around to "count coup" is quite another, and decidedly impolite. Since the draft of our Irwin 37 was 4 feet, she was too deep for the canal behind our house. So we parted ways with her…. and got smaller. Sure, we had to sacrifice the second head and second shower. But who really needs two showers, two heads and two sinks on a sailboat? We purchased an Irwin 10/4, which has the interior of a 30 footer, but is only 26 feet with a swing-keel draft of 2.75 feet. She has just the one head/shower, but still has two sinks. More importantly, we no-longer hear from those two constant complainers on Edgewater Lake. Our boat is right behind our house at our own dock. So, stay on Edgewater Lake in a storm, but there is no shore access and a couple of the locals will soon tire of your existence. [Please note: As I have mentioned before, most of the local homeowners around the lake were very friendly, and even helpful. A few of them should be given an award for their generous courtesy .]

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      2. James -  February 10, 2018 - 10:27 am

        There is a simple solution, just look for a canal front home without a boat at their dock and see if they will rent you the dock! Or look on craigslist, I believe there are several available right now

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      3. Rick Ritchie -  May 19, 2016 - 7:25 pm

        That is a good point, and only slightly misses the mark. You see, Edgewater Lake has been an anchorage… a Florida FWC designated anchorage, for a long. long time. So in light of this, here is a slightly better analogy. Suppose you spent your hard-earned retirement savings on a Florida home right next to a beautiful campground. One with an unpolluted, peaceful and rustic scenery that would inspire an artist to weep. Then suddenly, in April, some campers and motor homes start parking within your cherished and serene view. Some, of course, only park for a night or two. But others stay for the season. A few even leave their caravans behind and only visit on weekends. Of course this is all within the State legal limits of the camper owner, and the campground. Here is the question: Does the offended home-owner who lost his peaceful view have a legitimate and valid case against the camper owner?

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        • Richard Messier -  February 7, 2018 - 8:52 am

          This is a interesting article but with no conclusion. I just lost my docking spot on the next street over to edge water lake. So I thought it was a good time to plan on taking the 38 ft Irwin out of the water to paint the bottom but need to wait a week or two. Thought I might leave it anchored at edge water lake until then. Question is can I without being harassed? I am planning on purchasing a home in this area in the next two months but waiting for the sale of my currant home in Port Charlotte. Also what other options are there?

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    • Charlotte Harbor Boat Storage Recommended (Charlotte Harbor)

      Charlotte Harbor Boat Storage is located well inland on the western shores of southern Charlotte Harbor. You must traverse a canal to get here, but once you do, there are few better places to store your vessel on the hard.

      We just put Heavenly Ours, our 49 foot Marine Trader, on the hard for the summer at Charlotte County Boat Storage. You can also work on your vessel there w/o extra fees like most yards. Not a fancy place and its tucked away up the river but looked like a good hurricane solution. Very nice woman who answers to Shirley will walk you through pricing. Its also shown on their web site.
      Good luck
      Mark & Sylvia

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    • Fort Myers Boat Storage Recommendations

      Below is copied an interesting discussion from the T&T (Trawlers and Trawlering) list about good places to store one’s boat in the Fort Myers region of the Western Florida coastline.

      I need to store my 35 ft trawler somewhere near the Ft. Myers area, while I fly up north for knee surgery. Probably 4 to 6 months.
      Anyone have suggestions for a reasonable, no frills, dry storage yard in the area.
      Glades

      All American Boat Storage and Charlotte Harbor Boat Storage are next door to one another up a freshwater canal off Charlotte Harbor north of Ft. Myers. Both are first class and reasonable.
      RC
      Punta Gorda

      I concur with Charlotte Harbor Storage. Last time I was there it was a well run, clean operation. They do allow owners to work on their own boats if necessary.
      http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Indian+Rocks+Beach,+Florida+33785&l l=26.87688,-82.234919&spn=0.004172,0.006877&t=h&z=17
      or Tiny URL
      http://tinyurl.com/5wewmal
      Joel Wilkins
      m/s Miss Magoo

      Glades Boat Storage, Moore Haven, FL
      863-983-3040
      Patrick and Margie

      You might want to call Owl Creek Boatworks in Alva, FL. It is just north of FT. Myers on the Caloosahatcee. He has covered fresh water storage and said no damage during Charlie.
      RB

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    • One Cruiser’s Opinion of Riviera Marina (Charlotte Harbor, south of Punta Gorda)

      Every cruiser is certainly entitled to their opinion, here on the Cruisers’ Net and elsewhere. However, for my money the facility in question here is a dump. We welcome others point of view. Please click the “Comment on This Posting/Marina/Anchorage/Bridge” link below if you would like to share your impressions of this marina.

      This is one of the last truly Florida cruisers marinas. True, not a show place, but it doesn’t try to rob you blind or pretend to be what it isn’t. It is one of the few places that you can truly work on your boat and the owner and other boaters will truly help you. This is commercial fisherman and shrimper marina. So if you don’t like some commercial activity or cats, you might want to pass on this marina.
      It is truly improving and recovering from the hurricane. Almost all of the boats dumped there be locals and the county have been removed totally at the expense of the owner. The only place I know left to do a major refit on a boat if you have questions, I have been customer several times.
      Robert Burney

      Riviera Marina is 5 minutes from our house, but we prefer another place to work on our boat, even though it takes us most of the day to get there. I would call Riviera Marina a dump IMHO.
      Mary Dixon

      To elaborate on my perception/experience with Riviera Marina, a few months ago we wanted to have our mast pulled to do some work on it. We thought it would be nice to have it done somewhere close to home. Riviera Marina is a 5-minute drive by car and about an hour trip by boat. We went to the marina and watched a boat mast being pulled. It was a real fiasco. After I scraped the cat poop off my shoes we left and said `no way, we’ll go somewhere else like we’ve done in the past.’
      Mary Dixon

      1 fact about marinas that will never change is the presence of rats or cats. If you don’t like cats you will be told you are not welcome-they live there, you don’t. I personally would prefer a cat next to me when cramped in a small engine room that suddenly becoming aware of a rat crawling over. I have yet to see a rat that wasn’t fleeing the riviera marina-notice Mary left quickly and good riddance. The owner works with a local vet to keep all cats vaccinated and license-out of his own pocket-customers frequently donate food and with an automatic waterer they are taken care of better than most solitary housecats-he names them all and knows ALL of them By name. Riviera Marina is a family. `I like cats and I don’t like people who don’t’
      R.E. Ffolkes(Roger Moore)

      Click Here To View the Cruisers’ Net’s Western Florida Marina Directory Listing For Riviera Marina

      Click Here To Open A Chart View Window, Zoomed To the Location of Riviera Marina

      Comments from Cruisers (2)

      1. David Briggs -  September 29, 2018 - 4:44 pm

        I came into Riviera Marina this spring to have my rudder fixed and they did a very good job of fixing it. I liked the yard and have put my sailboat there to store.
        It is a no frills boatyard but I Ilke the staff there a lot.

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      2. Gordon Freeland -  August 3, 2017 - 9:07 pm

        WOW I did not realize what the this place used to be. I have been there several times to have my boat lifted so I can work on my 38 ft pursuit. great folks new owners turning the past over from the last owner. My buddy from PGI recommended them. I do too!!

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    • A Good Experience at Laishley Park Municipal Marina (Punta Gorda, FL, on Charlotte Harbor and Peace River)

      Laishley Park Marina is the city of Punta Gorda municipal facility for pleasurecraft. It is located between the twin US. 40 fixed bridges, and these span’s 45-foot height limits access for sailcraft. If you pilot a powerboat, however, this is one of the best Western Florida facilities with which you might choose to visit.

      We stayed at Laishley Park Municipal Marina in Punta Gorda and were very impressed with the facility and the dockmaster Rusty, and asst John, were very happy to help you in anyway they can. The facility is new, with floating docks, free pumpout and only $8/ft per week + a small charge for electricity. It is located right in front of the Crab House restaurant which has great food. For example, we loved the Ahi Tuna Salad!! The downtown area is in walking distance, only 2 blocks away, it was perfect to celebrate New Years with friends. There are free bicycles to use. There is a great 2 mile harborfront walk for you to stretch those legs! We highly recommend this marina!
      Todd & Paula Sue Russell
      “Ocean Breeze”

      My blog includes more options at Punta Gorda, especially for sailboats that can’t get under the fixed bridge to Laishley Marina.
      Mary Dixon

      Click Here To View the Cruisers’ Net’s Western Florida Marina Directory Listing For Laishley Park Marina

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    • New Matlacha Bridge Schedule (Western Florida, near Pine Island Sound)

      Matlache Channel runs between the western Florida mainland and Pine Island, just north of the “Miserable Mile,” the Caloosahatchee River and Fort Myers. The southern half of this passage is winding and shallow, but quite a few cruisers do enter the far deeper northern and cruise as far south as the Matlacha Bridge, with a few anchoring just south of this span.
      While the note below is a bit cryptic in regards to the politics of what is going on here, it looks like the county is now managing this span, and has come to some sort of compromise opening schedule, balancing landside and waterborne interests.
      ALL cruisers who plan to navigate even a portion of the Matlacha channel need to carefully record the opening times outlined below.

      Cruising News:
      Here is what we plan to do for the bridge opening hours. We will start this Dec. 1, 2010. Basically we will man the bridge during USCG hours and then on demand, on the hour only, in between (11 AM, noon, 1 PM and 2 PM), except we will cover the extended hours on the weekend and the day before and after, as follows:
      Tuesday, Wednesday & Thursday
      8 AM to 10 AM ‘“ bridge will open on demand
      10 AM to 3 PM ‘“ bridge will open, only on the hour, on demand
      3 PM to 7 PM ‘“ bridge will open on demand
      ————————————
      Friday, Saturday & Monday
      8 AM to 7 PM ‘“ bridge will open on demand (as it was pre-construction)
      ———————————–
      Sunday
      7 AM to 7 PM ‘“ bridge will open on demand (as it was pre-construction)
      ———————————-
      Also, if there is some special event, with multiple vessels, and the bridge needs to open at some time other than on the hour (this is for Tuesday thru Thursday, 10 AM to 3 PM only) we just need to be provided 24 hour notice, which can be done by calling 239-533-8573. This number will be forwarded to one of us at all times, and we will cover whatever the special arrangements need to be.
      Hopefully this will pacify everyone’s needs. I realize that everyone may not be totally satisfied, but I hope we are close. Just as an FYI, providing this service will cost the County approximately $50,000 over the original bid price. So everybody has had to comprise somewhat.
      Frank Cushing

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    • Charlotte Harbor Boat Storage Recommended (Charlotte Harbor)

      Cruisers bound for this facility will need to break off from the Western Florida ICW near the northern tip of Pine Island Sound, and cruise into broad Charlotte Harbor, lying to the northeast. Charlotte Harbor Boat Storage’s long entrance canal cuts the western shores of lower (southern) Charlotte Harbor.

      I tried a general search for this and got little results so if someone knows where this info already exsists please let me know.
      I will need to find a place within 100 miles from Fort Myers, Fl. to pull a 38 ft Bayliner around Feb / March /. Reasonable price of course is a concern as well as being able to work on my own boat if needed. Will probably store for 7-8 mo.
      Thanks, Jeff

      Jeff:
      A number of folks praise Charlotte Harbor Boat Storage in Placida, FL (http://www.charlotteharborboatstorage.com/). I have never used them, but they get good reviews in general.
      On the charts, they are here: N 26 52.619 W082 14.095
      Give them a call.
      Bill Donovan

      We have used Glades Boat Storage for the last four summers. It is located on the Okeechobee Waterway about 40 miles east of Ft. Myers. Because one must pass through two locks, your boat is safe from storm surge during a hurricane. Also, your engine gets a good freshwater rinse on the trip up the river. This `old Florida’ boatyard is probably the most price friendly storage yard in the state. Contact them at 863-983-3040.
      Jack Pavesich

      We hauled our 35 foot sailboat here [Charlotte Harbor Boat Storage] this past summer and they are a great, inexpensive place to haul your boat (warning though hot and extremely buggy in the summer, even worse than just being in FL!!).
      This boat yard is first class though. Competent and friendly staff (Shirley and Smitty are great!), dog friendly, they have showers, laundry, and a nice clubhouse-esque location that is screened in with tables, a tv, microwaves, a huge sink, a refrigerator, free ice, and they also have free, good wifi. The yard is really secure, locked at night, and two of the employees live on the premises.
      Grocery store and home depot are about a 4 mile trek but you can usually find a ride if you need to get something large and there is a west marine and super wal-mart a little further away.
      All and all I would HIGHLY recommend. We were on the hard, living aboard for 6 weeks and total bill with tax was $1200.
      One final note, they don’t make you buy supplies from them and they do not add an extra percentage charge for any outside labor you need.
      Nicole

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    • Charlotte Harbor Boatyard

      The rather obscure entrance to this facility cuts west off the western shores of Charlotte Harbor, north of Burnt Store Marina.

      We stored for 2 months at the Charlotte Harbour Boatyard and it was a very good facility with many people actually living and working on their boats while they were on the hard. If you are going to bottom paint you must have a tarp big enough to cover all the ground under your boat.
      They have a very comfortable boaters lounge with a kitchen and toilet block and there was a great sense of “community” when we were there in March 2007. One boater even had her sewing machine set upon a table in the lounge while we were there!
      It is a fenced gated yard but with so many people around security is not an issue. The owners actually live on the premises also.
      An interesting route approaching the boat yard too – you have to go through a lock which your operate yourself and you travel along a freshwater river for some distance!!
      We have no vested interest in this establishment – just sharing info as a very satisfied customer.
      Clare and Bill Walker
      “Rangatira”

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    • Thoughts on the Changing Seasons in Southwestern Florida

      Barb Hansen, author of the article below, is co-owner of Southwestern Florida Yachts in North Fort Myers, Florida. These good people are a SALTY SOUTHEAST CRUISERS’ NET SPONSOR, and, by the way, one of the best charter operations in all of Florida!!!!

      View from the Marina
      Florida’s Four Seasons
      By Barb Hansen
      October 2010

      The full moon in late September this year was as big and as beautiful as it can be and it was accompanied by the most delicious breeze from the north, a harbinger of well-deserved, cooler weather for those of us who live in Southwest Florida.
      Now for at least nine months more the climate will be exceptionally good, proving again the area deserves its “paradise” title.
      This is the time of the year when I have to remind myself not to phone friends up north and brag about our weather, especially not when they’re getting cold fronts and, with autumn’s shorter days, must turn on their car lights at 4:30 p.m.
      People say Florida doesn’t have seasons. That’s incorrect.
      The temperature differential may not be as dramatic in Fort Myers as it is in Fort Wayne, but signs of seasonal change are just as unmistakable if you are tuned in to the sights and sounds of the subtropics.
      Winter is wonderful, of course. I think of it as the season of roseate spoonbills, herons, egrets and wood storks feeding on mud flat at low tide. Natives get chilly sometimes but those who know how cold it gets in other climes are comfortable and so grateful they are not shoveling snow. Personally, I like a wind chill of 75 degrees and break out the winter jacket when the temperature drops into the 60’s.
      By late March, the cold fronts seem to lose their punch and the flora and fauna of spring emerge. April and May are a special time of the year when tired, tiny tanagers and warblers hitch rides and a rest on your boat railing before flitting off in search of a berry tree on Sanibel Island. Our eyes and noses delight in the flowering trees — fragrant yellow frangipani, fire-red poinciana, lavender-blue jacaranda.
      Summer arrives with the first thunderstorm and the `full moon in June’ as the saying goes. Shy cereus cactus flowers make their one-night-only appearances in June. Summer mornings are clear and clouds build throughout the day. On the water, the tarpon are rolling and a fishing frenzy ensues in the waters of Southwest Florida.
      Summer is relaxing on the flybridge, in the shade of a Bimini, with a cool drink in hand, watching a pod of dolphins circle in on their fresh fish entrée. This is the “low” season. Okay. Whatever.
      I love it here in Southwest Florida, as you can tell. Still, I’ve come to the point of view that no one place is perfect unless you make it so. I like to read and when I’m wrapped up in a great novel I don’t care where I am so long as the chair is comfortable. In fact, if it were snowing outside and I was close to a crackling fire, that would be just dandy.
      But dyed in the wool boaters logically migrate toward Florida (and they will leave their woolens behind). Snow skiers probably want to be close to the Rockies, High Sierras, or the Cascades. Surfers prefer the Pacific. We have traveled to all of those places and beyond, but as Dorothy said, `There’s no place like home.’
      So maybe no one place is perfect but, like those snowbirds on the yacht pulpit, we can fly to some other place and suit our changing weather whims.
      As a Floridian who spent her first 20 years in the Midwest, I can tell you that I feel the change of seasons in the Sunshine State just as much as I did back in Indiana. Whatever the season, Florida suits me just fine.

      Barb Hansen manages Southwest Florida Yachts, yacht charters, and Florida Sailing & Cruising School, a liveaboard yacht school. Contact her at info@swfyachts.com, phone 1-800-262-7939 or visit http://www.swfyachts.com/

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    • Good Words About Burnt Store Marina (Charlotte Harbor)

      Burnt Store Marina is a huge complex, that guards the eastern shores of Charlotte Harbor, just a short hop north from this body of water’s southern entrance. They offer just about everything that one could ask for!

      We stayed at Burnt Store for 2 months last year while doing the loop and liked it so much that we came back to spend a few months this past winter. We stayed in the north basin as it’s more residential for an extended period, although a short walk to the main basin which has the restaurant and boater’s pool and laundry facilities. It’s a nice stop!
      Barbara and Jim Benjamin and Golden Retriever, LIly
      Golden Lily – Nordic Tug 42

      Burnt Store is our home port. For all fellow [cruisers], I can tell you it is worth the trip across Charlotte Harbor to visit this marina. The staff is the best, the surroundings are beautiful, and there are 27 holes of golf on the property. Very nice pool and laundry facilities as well. Great place to spend your winter months. It’s easy to explore places like Sanibel, Captiva, Boca Grande, and Cabbage Key from here. For those interested, the property values here on condos and homes have never been better.

      Click Here To View the Cruisers’ Net’s Western Florida Marina Directory Listing For Burnt Store Marina

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    • Charlotte Harbor Boat Storage

      I have not reviewed the storage facility recommended by WinterHawk below, but I will be on these waters soon, and will soon rectify that oversight! I have seen this facility from the nearby road, however, and so I know it’s located on Charlotte Harbor’s western shoreline, north of Cape Haze.

      We would suggest the All American Covered Boat Storage off Charlotte Harbor – you go through a fresh water lock before the yard which is great for removing salt from your engine and other systems. They handle sailboats and power. They allow you to work on your own boat which is rare for boatyards in Fl.
      WinterHawk

      We have kept our boat at All American and have done many repairs and bottom painting while at their facility. They are very cooperative.
      Rich Oakley
      `Panache’
      Punta Gorda, FL

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    • Punta Gorda Waterfront Anchorage

      The anchorage commented on below by Captain lies on the waters of Peace River, just west of the Highway 41 Bridge, and just off the Punta Gorda waterfront. It is within easy dinghy distance of Fishermens Village Yacht Basin.

      We have been anchored in this area for 3 days, winds mainly from the North 15 ‘“ 30 knots. We originally anchored just inside R4, but later waited for low tide and crept in a little closer. There is a courtesy dock on the west side of Fisherman’s Village’¦also used the floating dinghy dock inside the basin, but the gate closes at 5:30 PM. It’s ok to use this dock if you are going to the village, but you need to see the dockmaster if you want to use the facilities. Very friendly staff. Lots of shops in the village, good restaurants and entertainment in the center of the shops. We missed the Gallery Walks (3rd Thursday of the month) in Punta Gorda because it was too rough to go ashore but we could hear the music. Follow the painted flip flops on the sidewalk in town.
      Capt. RL& Karen

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    • Good Times at Laishley Park Marina (Punta Gorda, Peace River – Charlotte Harbor)

       will stand as a tribute to the vision of the leaders of the City of Punta Gorda and to the teamwork of all who helped make it a reality.Laishley Park Marina is the new city of Punta Gorda facility, which sits between the Highway 41 bridges on the shores of Peace River. These spans put this facility off limits for all but small sailcraft, but for power vessels, this is one of the best places to coil your lines from Fort Myers to Tampa Bay. I have been here and personally inspected their docks, store, showers and Laundromat. Laishly Park is exactly what a cruiser friendly marina should be, and I’m not just saying that because they are a SALTY SOUTHEAST CRUISERS’ NET SPONSOR!

      Subject: Laishley Park Marina
      Cruising News: We are staying at the Laishley Park Marina in Punta Gorda, FL for about 4 weeks. This is an outstanding new marina with floating dock. Very friendly people and really great showers & Laundry. Other than being off the path it is a great place.
      Larry Hemmerich

      Click Here To View the Western Florida Cruisers’ Net Marina Directory Listing For Laishley Park Marina

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    • Riviera Marina (southern Punta Gorda, Charlotte Harbor)

      The message below speaks for itself. I will only add that the author’s observations synchronize with my own!

      Claiborne:
      I just purchased your Cruising Guide to Western Florida. What a terrific resource!! We are residents of Punta Gorda, and Alligator Creek is our access to Charlotte Harbor. We are all too familiar with Riviara Marina (known to the locals as Barry’s), situated off Alligator Creek. Their half sunken boats crowd the channel accessing our canal system, and oil / sludge, which we presume is from the marina, routinely drifts into our canal. A fire several years ago destroyed the variety store as well as several of their docks and adjoining property docks. One can hardly call this a marina, although they do rent slips, mostly to local live-aboards. I suppose the boat yard could facilitate desperate boaters in need of hauling their boat for do-it-yourself repairs, but in my opinion they would be wise to seek other facilities. Much to the disappointment of local residents, the facility has survived the fire and more recently Hurricane Charlie (of course there wasn’t much there for the hurricane to destroy). It is an eyesore and a hazard to navigation and the environment.
      Name Witheld by Request

      Click Here To View the Western Florida Cruisers’ Net Marina Directory Listing For Riviera Marina

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    • Punta Gorda Cruising News (Charlotte Harbor)

      The beautiful new Laishley Park Marina is the forerunner of what will be a complete renovation of Laishley Park as is shown by the illustration below. Here are some quick tid-bits of cruising news about Punta Gorda. This charming communities occupies the southern shoreline at the intersection of Charlotte and the Peace River. It is WELL worth a visit by ALL cruisers! And, please try to patronize Laishley Park Marina. These good folks are a SALTY SOUTHEAST CRUISERS’ NET SPONSOR!

      East of the Hiway 41 bridge in Punta Gorda are new docks and anchorage. Laisley’s has a nice store for some boat repairs. They also help with `The Crab Shack’ a new fairly good restaurant that is a good addition to Punta Gorda.
      Joe

      Click Here To View the Western Florida Cruisers’ Net Marina Directory Listing For Laishley Park Marina

      Click Here To View the Western Florida Cruisers’ Net Marina Directory Listing For Fishermens Village Yacht Basin

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