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    • UPDATE on Anchoring Ban in Florida ICW – HB1051

      As reporter Branon Edwards relates in this article in the Broward/Palm Beach New Times, HB1051 is being presented today (1/26) by a group of Florida legislators. Bill is reported on 1/27 as passed with 12 Yea votes. Click Here for related opinion.

      February 3 UPDATE from our friends at AGLCA Forum

      UPDATE ON FLORIDA ANCHORING LEGISLATION
      An amended version of the HB1051 (now CS/HB1051) passed a committee last week. SSCA and AGLCA members, along with our other boating partners, spoke against the amended bill which included a safe harbor provision and the ability for law enforcement, government boats and rescue boats to anchor overnight. The prohibition on overnight anchoring remained, which we don’t support. We are working to modify that provision. At present calls and emails should be directed to members of the House State Affairs Committee stating the following:

      “I am (a Florida resident/Florida tourist) and cruise extensively in Florida waters. I oppose the present language in CS/HB1051 because the bill does not give cruising boats the ability to anchor for a reasonable time while in navigation under federal law. We are also concerned that this bill opens the door for communities to pursue similar legislation without adequate justification which would result in unfair, random and unreasonable anchoring restrictions. A better way to address the issues in these areas is to pursue enactment of a comprehensive mooring/anchoring planning and adoption process that would apply to all communities, not just selected ones.”

      If you are a Florida resident, please look at the member list below, if you live in one of the member’s area, you should send a separate note to them stating you are a constituent.

      Here is link to the committee website:

      http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/Committees/committeesdetail.aspx?CommitteeId=2851

      anchoring

      Yachts anchored in Fort Lauderdale’s Middle River basin, which would be illegal if proposed legislation passes. Branon Edwards

      BY BRANON EDWARDS TUESDAY, JANUARY 26, 2016 | 3 HOURS AGO
      A battle is heating up between rich owners of waterfront property and boaters who, instead of docking, use anchors to keep their boats cheaply (free!) in the Intracoastal Waterway. The rich have argued that these anchored boats ruin their view — especially vessels that have been abandoned and become decrepit. Many boaters, however, contend that they are responsible and have rights to use the waterway.

      As they say, “the squeaky wheel gets the grease.” In this case, the squeaky wheel appears to be wealthy property owners along Florida’s Intracoastal Waterway, and the grease is a nasty bit of proposed legislation known in the House as HB1051 and in the Senate as SB1260. Both bills in Tallahassee aim to make it illegal to anchor overnight in parts of the Intracoastal Waterway despite the waterway having been used for this purpose since its inception.

      CLICK HERE for the full article by Branon Edwards

      Comments from Cruisers (15)

      1. Tom Earnest -  May 20, 2016 - 10:46 pm

        Unfortunately, boaters like to complain and bitch but when it comes to picking up the phone or e-mailing Florida Representatives or Senators, boaters did not care enough to contact the legislators.

        K would like to hold to all of you Greg Staub who serves in the Florida House. Greg’s e-mail and phone calls was against the boll and he voted against the bill.

        Even now you should contact members of the Florida Senate and House. We dropped the ball on this and now we have to live with it. Plus other communities will want to anchoring areas.

        Reply to Tom
      2. Rick Ritchie -  May 20, 2016 - 10:16 am

        Editor’s comment: Rick’s comments are related to a posting on Edgewater Lake from 2011, but his argument is pertinent to the ongoing discussion of anchoring in Florida.

        That is a good point, and only slightly misses the mark. You see, Edgewater Lake has been an anchorage… a Florida FWC designated anchorage, for a long. long time. So in light of this, here is a slightly better analogy. Suppose you spent your hard-earned retirement savings on a Florida home right next to a beautiful campground. One with an unpolluted, peaceful and rustic scenery that would inspire an artist to weep. Then suddenly, in April, some campers and motor homes start parking within your cherished and serene view. Some, of course, only park for a night or two. But others stay for the season. A few even leave their caravans behind and only visit on weekends. Of course this is all within the State legal limits of the camper owner, and the campground. Here is the question: Does the offended home-owner who lost his peaceful view have a legitimate and valid case against the camper owner?
        Rick Ritchie

        Reply to Rick
      3. Capt. Bob -  March 6, 2016 - 1:42 pm

        OK, let’s be fair and intelligent about this issue. Sure, I can understand the objection to having “plainly obvious derelict boats” permanently moored in view of anyone home, on the other hand, transient boats and those owned by Florida property owners who moor their boats which are well maintained should not have the right, under traditional federal law, taken away.
        As for transient boat, passing through Florida waters, as a compromise, why not have a time limit, say 1-3 days at mooring, longer for needed repairs. It seems to be forgotten, transients go ashore to replenish supplies and such to spend money in the Florida economy.
        As for me on my trips to the South coasting along Florida should this a Bill of total mooring prohibition pass, I will prepare to by-pass Florida while sailing off-shore all the way. But, what about refuge in extreme weather? There is a lot of question and considerations in this issue.

        Capt. Bob

        but what about refuge in extreme weather

        Reply to Capt.
      4. Capt. Whit -  February 9, 2016 - 9:10 am

        For whatever it is worth, I sent the following to Bernie Sanders!
        Bernie,
        This is a struggle that should be right up your alley and if you would like my vote for President perhaps you could get involved with this issue. There is a bill in the Florida legislature that is essentially a ban on cruising boat anchoring in safe harbors where the wealthy have big houses and don’t want their views obstructed by cruising boats anchoring there! A very typical 2% kind of mentality. I am making my very first trip on our boat down to Florida this winter from VT and have, in fact, just entered Florida waters. The boating community has asked Florida boaters or visitors to contact the members of the Florida House State Affairs Committee stating the following: (I figured I could do one better by asking you to assist since this is definitely an issue with the wealthy not wanting their nice expensive harbor views to be obstructed.)
        “I am (a Florida resident/Florida tourist) and cruise extensively in Florida waters. I oppose the present language in CS/HB1051 because the bill does not give cruising boats the ability to anchor for a reasonable time while in navigation under federal law. We are also concerned that this bill opens the door for communities to pursue similar legislation without adequate justification which would result in unfair, random and unreasonable anchoring restrictions. A better way to address the issues in these areas is to pursue enactment of a comprehensive mooring/anchoring planning and adoption process that would apply to all communities, not just selected ones.”

        What do you say, Bernie – want to fight for the middle class against the 1 and 2% ers?

        Thanks,

        Reply to Capt.
      5. Jim Healy -  February 5, 2016 - 6:57 pm

        I’m pretty convinced that nibbling at the heals of the committees will not be productive. I am a Florida resident, and today, I sent the following to my Florida State Representative. I strongly suggest interested boaters who are Florida residents also contact their home representatives. This will ultimately be adopted or stopped in the legislature as a whole, not in committee.

        Letter follows:

        Dear Representative Van Zant;

        My wife and I are Florida residents of Florida, residing at Green Cove Springs. We use our boat to cruise throughout Florida’s wonderful public trust waters. This bill violates the public trust responsibility that the Florida legislature has to ensure Florida’s waters are available for use by all of her citizens and visitors. This bill favors the selfish aesthetic interests of wealthy waterfront landowners who knew, or should have known when they bought their properties, that boats use waters adjacent to their properties. HB1051 targets small, select and wealthy areas of the state. The bill will create confusion among non-local boaters and confusion will greatly complicate voluntary compliance. Finally, I feel that the safety of boaters could be greatly compromised by what effectively amounts to closure of these anchorages.

        I have a detailed article on the public trust doctrine on my personal website, here: https://gilwellbear.wordpress.com/category/cruising-practica/general-cruising/anchoring-rights/.

        Please, Mr. Van Sant, honor the public trust responsibility that goes with your office, and vote against this discriminatory bill which clearly favors big money interests. Please, do not succumb to an act of class warfare by supporting a class-based prohibition. Please support the public trust!

        Very sincerely yours,

        James B. Healy
        (914) 466-5829

        Peg and Jim Healy aboard Sanctuary, currently at Charlotte Harbor, Punta Gorda, FL
        http://gilwellbear.wordpress.com
        Monk 36 Hull #132
        MMSI #367042570
        AGLCA #3767
        MTOA #3436

        Reply to Jim
      6. Tom Earnest -  February 1, 2016 - 1:34 pm

        Below is a list of Florida Legislators who voted yes on this. If you want to help yourself e-mail and let your views be heard.

        If you are not willing to do that, why bitch on this forum?

        Thank you for contacting Rep. Steube regarding HB 1051 – Recreational Boating Zones by Rep. Caldwell.

        Link to HB 1051:
        http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/Bills/billsdetail.aspx?BillId=56022&SessionId=80

        HB 1051 favorably passed with a committee substitute during the Agriculture and Natural Resources Subcommittee January 26, 2016 meeting. You can view archived video of this meeting by going to this link: http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/VideoPlayer.aspx?eventID=2443575804_2016011358&committeeID=2852

        Additionally, a vote sheet from the January 26 meeting is below:
        Bill Number:
        1051
        Bill Name:
        CS/HB 1051
        Action:
        Favorable With Committee Substitute
        Committee:
        Agriculture & Natural Resources Subcommittee
        Location:
        Reed Hall (102 HOB)
        Duration:
        2.00
        Date:
        1/26/2016 12:00:00 PM
        Sponsor:
        Agriculture & Natural Resources Subcommittee and C…
        Subject:
        Recreational Boating Zones

        Y Boyd
        Y DuBose
        Y Lee
        Y Smith
        Y Sullivan
        Y Combee
        Y Edwards
        Y Pilon
        Y Stevenson
        – Watson, C.
        Y Drake
        Y Goodson
        Y Raburn

        Total Yeas:
        12
        Total Nays:
        0
        Total Missed:
        1
        Total Votes:
        13

        Reply to Tom
      7. Tom Earnest -  January 30, 2016 - 12:57 pm

        Guys,
        I sent 51 e-mails to Florida Legislators using the e-mail posted below, Google Chrome as my browser and Chroamie(???) which automatically fills out the blanks on their forms in 21 MINUTES!

        Do something to help all of us!

        Reply to Tom
      8. Tom Earnest -  January 30, 2016 - 12:16 pm

        I just sent this to my Florida State Representative. Took less than 5 minutes.

        Would you please vote against S
        HB 1051, SB 1260: Recreational Boating Zones

        Recreational Boating Zones; prohibiting overnight anchoring or mooring of vessels in specified recreational boating zones, etc.

        I keep my 58’ boat behind my condo and do quite a bit of cruising spending Thousands of dollars while I do that. People like me provide a lot of jobs in Florida.
        This bill is too broadly worded. The real issue is Derelict boats anchored in front of homes. The solution is to have a law defining Derelict boats well enough that either FWC, local police, and the Coast Guard can determine which boats are transient and which are derelict. Once documented by pictures by law enforcement, they can have a contractor who has won a contract to remove the vessels and either sell them or have the owners pay the towing and storage charges. When local officials think that derelict vessels are an issue then they can award a contract to a contractor for the removal of the vessels deemed derelict by law enforcement. Otherwise, the State should not be involved in this issue.
        Since you represent an area full of boaters and homeowners with water views not to mention people and businesses that earn a living from these boaters, I wish you would inject some sanity into this highly emotionally charged issue.
        Sincerely,

        Reply to Tom
      9. Tom Earnest -  January 30, 2016 - 12:09 pm

        Guys,
        Bitching on here has no effect.
        Go to http://www.flsenate.gov/Senators/Find
        pick either your state senator in Florida or pick one along the Intracoastal.

        Go to http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/Representatives/representatives.aspx

        Do the same thing. I sent the flowing to mine.

        Would you please vote against SB 1260, SB 1260: Recreational Boating Zones
        GENERAL BILL by Simpson
        Recreational Boating Zones; prohibiting overnight anchoring or mooring of vessels in specified recreational boating zones, etc.

        I keep my 58’boat behind my condo and do quite a bit of cruising spending Thousands of dollars while I do that. People like me provide a lot of jobs in Florida.

        This bill is too broadly worded. The real issue is Derelict boats anchored in front of homes. The solution is to have a law defining Derelict boats well enough that either FWC, local police, and the Coast Guard can determine which boats are transient and which are derelict. Once documented by pictures by law enforcement, they can have a contractor who has won a contract to remove the vessels and either sell them or have the owners pay the towing and storage charges. When local officials think that derelict vessels are an issue then they can award a contract to a contractor for the removal of the vessels deemed derelict by law enforcement. Otherwise, the State should not be involved in this issue.

        Since you represent an area full of boaters and homeowners with water views not to mention people and businesses that earn a living from these boaters, I wish you would inject some sanity into this highly emotionally charged issue.

        Sincerely,

        Do the same thing. If you want to cut and paste mine, at least you are doing SOMETHING. To the naysayers; what you’re doing is working too, right?

        Talk about how much money you spend and how many jobs you help support.

        Walk around with your laptop and get everyone you can to do the same thing on your computer. Otherwise they will never do it. When Legislators get a lot of mail on one issue, they usually do pay attention. Yes, wealthy water front homeowners do make political contributions and you don’t. This is the only chance we have

        Reply to Tom
      10. CHARLES F GEAR -  January 29, 2016 - 11:51 pm

        Wait a minute… I thought this issue was resolved a couple of years ago…The ICW is a “Federal” waterway, right? SOFlorida cannot regulate…. what am I missing here?

        Reply to CHARLES
        • Rick Ritchie -  May 20, 2016 - 7:58 pm

          The ICW was officially commissioned by Congress in 1919 (even though Florida began construction decades earlier). The ICW is maintained by the Army Corps of Engineers, under the command of Lieutenant General Todd T. Semonite (2016).

          For the following rant, please forgive my cynicism. I actually know several impeccably honorable representatives. They do not seem to be running the show, unfortunately.

          This issue will, in all likelihood, years from now, come down to a Federal vs Florida jurisdiction argument– a very short argument– with the obvious outcome. Florida legislators know…. or should know… that the passage of this Bill will, ultimately, be found to be in violation of Federal laws. But It seems to be the ‘way of things, now, for legislators to pass obviously illegal laws (so that they can get those donor dollars) and let the courts deal with their legality, later. After all, is it not the primary job of a legislator to cater to their d̶o̶n̶o̶r̶s̶, I mean constituents, regardless of Federal laws, civil rights, reason and logic? Please forgive my cynicism. I actually know several impeccably honorable representatives. They do not seem to be in the majority, unfortunately.

          Perhaps if we got out our wallets and simply out-bid the very small number of squeaky-wheel donors….? “How much would it cost us to kill this, Mr. Caldwell ?” “… Mr. Moraitis?” (Strangely, both Republicans? and one of them a graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy. Say it ain’t so!)

          Rick Ritchie
          Sailor
          Occasional cruiser
          Florida Waterfront resident
          Conservative (but not always Republican)

          Remember, “ask not what your contributions can do for you, ask what you can do for your contributions.”

          Reply to Rick
      11. Mike -  January 29, 2016 - 4:46 pm

        It does appear the winds from the land have now increased to such a strength they will blow every boat out of the designated water areas at nightfall.
        In the past anchoring for weeks or months in a single location was acceptable.
        Today it’s not.
        Florida state owns the land under the waterway and it appears they will bend to the stronger winds.
        Has anyone suggested a compromise to satisfy the landowners and transient boaters?

        Reply to Mike
      12. martin -  January 29, 2016 - 2:59 pm

        No big deal for the plutocrats,They are all at the golf club rooting mr.trump on

        Reply to martin
      13. Capt. Mike Wright -  January 29, 2016 - 2:27 pm

        The rights of mariners once again fall victim to the dollar.
        ” It’s so pretty here with the trees and the water and boats! I think I’ll build a house.” So they cut the trees and claim the water for themselves.
        I’m sure they won’t complain about the “HIGHLANDER” parking overnight.

        Reply to Capt.
      14. Perry Mc -  January 27, 2016 - 11:55 am

        Just heard the bill passed committee 12 Yeas. I have put my Representative on notice she (Stevenson) can forget my vote come re-election. I will work harder than ever to prevent her re-election.
        Perry Mc

        Reply to Perry
    • BoatUS Celebrates 50th Anniversary

      Boat U.S.Salty Southeast Cruisers’ Net joins all of you in congratulating BoatUS on their 50th Anniversary. BoatUS remains the premiere advocate for boaters and boating safety on all waters and SSECN is proud to have BoatUS as a SPONSOR!

      unnamed (31)NEWS From BoatUS
      Boat Owners Association of The United States
      880 S. Pickett St., Alexandria, VA 22304
      FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
      Press Contact: D. Scott Croft, 703-461-2864, SCroft@BoatUS.com

      In 1974, just eight years after its founding by Richard Schwartz (4th from L), BoatUS moved to new headquarters in Springfield, VA with just 17 staff – far less than the over 500 employees today.

      In 1974, just eight years after its founding by Richard Schwartz (4th from L), BoatUS moved to new headquarters in Springfield, VA with just 17 staff – far less than the over 500 employees today.

       

      In 2016, Boat Owners Association of The United States (BoatUS)

      Celebrates 50th Anniversary

      ALEXANDRIA, Va., February 3, 2016 – In 1966, boaters could buy a new mid-sized cruiser for about $7,000, outboard engines had just surpassed 100 horsepower, and recreational boating was growing on a large scale across America. It was also in ’66 that the nation’s largest recreational boating group, Boat Owners Association of The United States (BoatUS), got its start thanks to Founder Richard Schwartz who saw a need to make recreational boaters’ lives better.

      His vision of offering representation, improving safety, providing quality services at competitive prices and saving boaters money was all rolled up into the “service, savings and representation” motto that remains at the core of the more than half million member organization today.

      “BoatUS has always been there for boaters and always will be,” said BoatUS President Margaret Podlich. “Whether it’s helping boaters have a safe day on the water, ensuring that boating taxes go to boating programs, offering competitive boat insurance coverage, or having the largest on water towing fleet in the nation, BoatUS is proudly the single source of exceptional service and savings. We’re steadfast in our commitment to protect boaters and their rights, making boating safer, more affordable and accessible.”

      BoatUS will be celebrating its golden anniversary in 2016 with a series of special member events and coverage in its flagship publication, BoatUS Magazine, and other programs. A look back at five decades of BoatUS’ significant impacts and innovation include:

      BoatUS is the first organization to fight for legislation on behalf of boaters, shaping national boating policy when Schwartz helps draft the watershed Federal Boat Safety Act of 1971 creating the US Coast Guard Office of Boating Safety. He also secured passage of the Recreational Boating Safety and Facilities Improvement Act of 1979 – also known as the Biaggi Bill – which affirmed that taxes and fees paid by boaters should support boating programs.

      The BoatUS Marine Insurance program starts in 1967 offering the first recreational boat policy in clear, understandable language rather than the unintelligible, centuries-old language from Lloyd’s of London.

      BoatUS creates the only Consumer Protection Bureau (1970) for boaters to seek redress with manufacturers, suppliers or businesses as well as a Dispute Mediation Program. BoatUS Reports, the association’s early member newsletter, eventually grows to become BoatUS Magazine, the largest boating magazine in the country with over half a million circulation.

      After two years of BoatUS lobbying efforts, in 1980 President Carter signs the Recreational Boating Safety and Facilities Improvement Act, authorizing $60 million in boating fuel taxes to be spent on boating safety programs and boating facilities improvements over the next three years.

      In 1982 BoatUS leads the successful fight to repeal the Federal Boat “User Fee” Tax, saving boaters up to $600 annually.

      As a result of the U.S. Coast Guard no longer offering non-emergency assistance to boaters where towboat companies existed, the BoatUS Insurance policy becomes the first in the nation to feature on water towing coverage to its insureds.

      Also in 1983, the first BoatUS Catastrophe Team is established to assist the Houston Yacht Club following the disastrous landfall of Hurricane Alicia. Comprised of expert marine surveyors, claims adjusters and heavy equipment operators, in subsequent years the team becomes the “gold standard” for service to insured boaters after storm-related disasters. As a result of what it learns, BoatUS sets course to become the nation’s expert at hurricane damage avoidance for boats and marinas, offering free preparation materials for boat and yacht clubs, marinas and boatyards.

      In 1984, Schwartz is widely credited in leading the passage of the federal Wallop/Breaux Trust Fund Amendment, today part of the Sport Fish Restoration and Boating Trust Fund that now returns over $600 million annually to federal and state boating and fishing programs.

      BoatUS was an early pioneer in discount marine retailing, starting with a single product – a floating flashlight – eventually opening a nationwide chain of 62 BoatUS retail stores and catalog. The retail division was sold to West Marine in 2003.

      In 1994 TowBoatUS creates a 24-hour toll-free dispatch hotline to respond to members’ needs. The dispatch system pioneers the use of computer mapping to find the closest towboat while connecting the boater directly with the towing captain through teleconferencing.

      Already a major influence on the national boating safety stage, in 2000 the BoatUS Foundation and the BoatUS Clean Water Trust merge to become the nonprofit 501(c)(3) BoatUS Foundation for Boating Safety and Clean Water, which runs innovative programs ranging from the only free Online Boating Safety Course and nationwide Life Jacket Loaner Program for Kids to the Help Stop the Drops marina spill prevention program and EPIRB rental program for offshore passages.

      Long before there was publicly available data on the causes of insurance claims, BoatUS develops the only recreational boat Damage Avoidance Program and publication to help BoatUS members avoid claims and injuries, Seaworthy. BoatUS insurance programs today total over $8 billion in hull value.

      BoatUS acquires Vessel Assist Association of America in 2003, the largest on water towing fleet on the Pacific Coast. The move adds a new West Coast 24-hour dispatch center connected to a coastal high-site VHF communications system which provides VHF radio communications far out to sea – a unique aspect not found with any other on water boat towing company. Today, TowBoatUS is the nation’s largest on water towing fleet with over 600 towboats and 300 locations.

      In 2006, the EPA starts wrestling with a proposed operational permit that could be required for each boat in each state. Working with the marine industry, BoatUS launches a massive two-year lobbying effort to pass the Clean Boating Act, exempting recreational boats from permits intended to address ocean-going ships and offshore sources of invasive species.

      In 2007, BoatUS is sold to a Berkshire Hathaway subsidiary, National Indemnity Company. More recently, on January 1, 2015 BoatUS is transferred in a change of ownership to GEICO, another Berkshire Hathaway company.

      In an effort to help the storm-struck marina industry recover after years of intense hurricane activity and ensure boaters have dockage for their boats after a storm hits, in 2008 BoatUS holds the first ever, two-day Marina Hurricane Preparation Symposium designed to reduce damage and the loss of boats and marinas in storms.

      In 2011, BoatUS hand delivers over 15,000 comments from concerned boaters, sailors and anglers to the Federal Communications Commission demanding that the agency not go forward in its plans to allow a private company to put the reliability of the Global Positioning System (GPS) system at risk. The plans fail to win government support.

      Over 65,000 recreational boats are damaged or lost when 2012’s Superstorm Sandy strikes the Northeast, making it the single-largest industry loss to recreational boats since the Association began keeping track in 1966. BoatUS mobilizes its largest-ever Catastrophe Team salvaging thousands of boats from the NY-NJ region as far north as Maine and inland to Michigan.

      In 2015, BoatUS offers the first insurance policy for boats rented through peer-to-peer rental programs. Fighting for anchoring rights in Florida, amending the nation’s renewable fuels corn ethanol mandate, and reauthorization of the US Coast Guard budget top the list of legislative priorities. Forty-nine years after its founding, BoatUS begins a new era of growth and service to America’s boaters.
      For more information, visit BoatUS.com.

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      About Boat Owners Association of The United States (BoatUS):

      BoatUS is the nation’s largest organization of recreational boaters with over a half million members. We are the boat owners’ voice on Capitol Hill and fight for their rights. We help ensure a roadside breakdown doesn’t end a boating or fishing trip before it begins, and on the water, we bring boaters safely back to the launch ramp or dock when their boat won’t, day or night. The BoatUS Insurance Program gives boat owners the specialized coverage and superior service they need, and we help keep boaters safe and our waters clean with assistance from the non-profit BoatUS Foundation for Boating Safety and Clean Water. Visit BoatUS.com.

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    • Bahamas Chatter: Regarding the Active Captain Comments

      Explorer Charts - the best charts for the Bahamas and Exumas
      Explorer Chartbooks, A SALTY SOUTHEAST CRUISERS’ NET PARTNER, has long been the standard navigational supplement for enjoyable, informative, and safe cruising through the beautiful Bahamian waters and island visits.

       

      Bahamas Chatter: Regarding the Active Captain comments on its Facebook site about Explorer Charts:
      Regarding the Active Captain comments on its Facebook site about Explorer Charts:
      Posted: 01 Feb 2016 07:36 AM PST
      I recently returned to the Active Captain Facebook page, and I cannot locate the initial post from Mr. Jeff Siegel, or his later amended one, or even a number of the negative comments about the post from Active Captain users. I hope I am wrong, but it appears it has all been removed.
      (You can learn about that initial posting, and read some direct quotes from it, on the Explorer Charts Bahamas Chatter site.)
      One of the more disturbing comments from Mr. Siegel was his accusation that the people at Explorer Charts had made “errors (that) are CRIMINAL in the high traffic areas”; (reported at Explorer Charts; emphasis added)
      The posting went on to push Active Captain’s superior methodology of depth reporting:
      “Even the most meager attempt to crowd-source depth data is going to blow away all of these chart-producing companies.” Two weeks later, on January 27, 2016, as a member of Active Captain, I received one of Mr. Siegel’s periodic e-mails, and this sentence jumped from the page:
      “All crowd-sourced data needs interpretation – it’s the nature of the medium.”
      More about that later.
      I have been a member of Active Captain for many years, and find the marina reports very useful, as long as you accept the information with an understanding that it may contain the same kind of bias or inaccuracy you might see in a restaurant review on Yelp. There are many very experienced, well-qualified cruisers who use Active Captain, and many who are not so experienced.
      I’ve been critical of reports that some of the “crowd” make on Active Captain regarding depths. As an example, the “crowd” often reports something like this: “I had 5’ of water all the way in”. But the “crowd” does not report whether that was 5’ under the keel, or 5’ of actual depth, or what the state of the tide actually was at that moment, or whether there were any other factors which affected the tide that day, or – equally important, what was their exact location by lat/lon at the precise moment of the sounding? Were they REALLY in the “middle” of the channel? And of course there is no way to know whether their depth sounders were accurately calibrated.
      I have absolutely no confidence in such information. It is off-handed, undisciplined, and unreliable.
      I have used the Explorer Charts for years while cruising the Bahamas, and find them to be incredibly accurate. I’ll take the Explorer Chart data any day over anything else.
      So Active Captain has two positions: 1) Meager (their word) attempts at crowd source depth data will “blow away” all of the chart producing companies, and 2) ALL crowd-source data needs “interpretation”.
      In looking at Mr. Siegel’s world, the real question is just WHO will be making the “meager” attempt to interpret the crowd-sourced data? The crowd? Mr. Siegel?
      It’s also interesting that Mr. Siegel doesn’t go after the electronic chart companies…including those with which he already has a business relationship. Ask yourself, just WHERE does the electronic chart data come from?
      Explorer Charts is clearly a competitor to Mr. Siegel’s Active Captain, and his tactic of accusing a competitor of criminality says a great deal about his approach. Before Mr. Siegel apparently removed his comments from the Active Captain Facebook site, he made some vacuous explanations for his posting, but never issued an apology to Monty and Sara Lewis and their daughter Kate at Explorer Charts. He needs to do that now.
      Greg Allard

      Comments from Cruisers (2)

      1. John Winter -  February 5, 2016 - 7:04 pm

        Hear here. I love Active Captain, but take most comments with a cautious eye. Folks such as Explorer Charts are based on real information. Not saying that AC does not include real data, I just agree with Greg on how to use the information. I am a huge contributor to AC and have noticed that even some of my posts have errors (I know, hard to believe isn’t it – LOL?!)

        Reply to John
      2. Miles Cherkasky -  February 5, 2016 - 6:15 pm

        I agree with Mr Allard completely. I use Active Captain and like it. I have also seen countless warning markers on the ICW where people swear they ran aground while in the middle of the channel. Sometimes that’s true but I think mostly people aren’t where they think they are when they run aground. I’ve been over many of those spots at all states of tide with my six foot draft boat and never found those shoals. It tends to diminish ones faith in crowd sourcing. I doubt it will ever replace professionally produced charts ,paper, electronic or otherwise.

        Reply to Miles
    • Okeechobee Waterway East to West Report


      Our thanks to SSECN Team Member, Curtis Hoff, for these navigation notes along the Okeechobee Waterway.

      I just crossed the Okeechobee from Stuart to Ft. Myers the past two days and these are the items I noted during my trip.

      Indiantown Railway Bridge was down as I approached with no signs of a train. Had to call on channel 9 to have it opened. Therefore don’t assume it will be ‘normally’ open unless a train is expected.

      *** IMPORTANT ONE ***
      Regarding this recent  SSECN post.  The obstruction is clearly visible at MM 33.5 less than halfway between the centerline and the south edge. Looks to be 6-8″ dia wood sticking vertically up only an inch or two above the water. Stay on center or slightly north.

      Also, found two similar hazards at MM34.3 and 35.2. Both are a bit further off center maybe 20% channel width from the north (Note: north, not south) edge but could be hit in a passing condition or if someone drifted off the centerline. They are a bit smaller, maybe 6″ dia but also just slightly above the water – a bird was perched on one of them when I passed.

      Construction just east of Moore Haven (26°49.594’N, 081°03.890’W). Nothing to worry about right now – channel is currently very wide. Some web resources are reporting it is very narrow (20 ft) – currently at least 50 ft wide. No other construction trouble spots, but I crossed the lake and didn’t take the rim route.

      Ortona Lock
      – at least one other web resource is incorrectly stating there is a limited schedule from mid-December to mid-June That is currently incorrect – on demand according to the lock tender and he wasn’t sure if/when it would become restricted. He even checked the notices on line since he was unaware – but he did think that it could occur at some point – I believe it may be due to construction. Since the schedule could change it would be best to either check the notices online or call the lock since it could be restricted to a few openings a day at some point. But at this point don’t assume it is restricted since it wasn’t today, 1/29.
      Curtis

      Click Here To Open A Chart View Window, Zoomed To the Location of Construction Site

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      1. Dan Pinder -  February 12, 2016 - 4:22 pm

        Ortona Lock is on a some what limited schedule, Depending on the day. I went across on Feb. 1, East to West, and it was by far my slowest crossing ever. They were at this time dumping huge amount of water from the lake, both east and west. I am talking about 300 million gal.s a day, both ways with aprox. 2 mph head current heading toward the lake and the 2 mph away from the lake . Ortona is waiting on some construction to start in the near future and that will slow the locking down. On Feb. 1, they actually open the Lock, both sides to ” Dump Extra Water”, and boaters had to wait about 2 hrs for this to be completed before crossing through. The lock master is only following orders and he does not know when or a what time this will occur so it is best to call ahead before going. We had called the night before and nothing was scheduled, so things can change quick. On the good side, on our way back across we make the best time ever, Its just a matter of catching the locks at the right times. Capt Dan

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    • Bahamas Chatter: Praise for Explorer Charts

      Explorer Charts - the best charts for the Bahamas and Exumas
      Explorer Chartbooks, A SALTY SOUTHEAST CRUISERS’ NET PARTNER, has long been the standard navigational supplement for enjoyable, informative, and safe cruising through the beautiful Bahamian waters and island visits.

       

      Bahamas Chatter: Praise for Explorer Charts
      Praise for Explorer Charts
      Posted: 28 Jan 2016 08:55 AM PST
      In response to some recent criticism of Explorer Charts, I’d like to report that my wife and I used them extensively on a recent 9 month cruise and we have nothing but praise. We crossed to West End, then up to the Walkers Cay area, then down through the rest of the Abacos. Next was Eleuthera. We had the unexpected pleasure to meet Monty and Sara Lewis in Spanish Wells- nice folks! Then on down throughout the Exuma chain to Georgetown, and on the return trip north we skirted by Nassau, then over to the Berries, then Cat Cay, then back to Florida. The Explorer Charts are great. I am a land surveyor with 30+ years experience in surveying and mapping. On this trip we routinely used both electronic and paper copies, constantly checking one against the other, and comparing that with our own real-time depth soundings and visual observations. We found the horizontal mapping to be dead-on accurate, and the charted depths a little on the conservative side, as they should be. We had a great time exploring and taking some shoal draft routes, carefully nosing into skinny water while dutifully using visual piloting and minding the tide. The Explorer Charts never let us down. Tom and Robin on “Southern Trawl” Sent from my iPad

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    • Bahamas Chatter: “Long Island” plus 1 more

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      Explorer Chartbooks, A SALTY SOUTHEAST CRUISERS’ NET PARTNER, has long been the standard navigational supplement for enjoyable, informative, and safe cruising through the beautiful Bahamian waters and island visits.

       

      Bahamas Chatter: “Long Island” plus 1 more
      Long Island
      Posted: 26 Jan 2016 11:32 AM PST
      > We’re planning to visit Long Island in March and bring donated school supplies for a small contribution to those impacted by hurricane Joaquin. > > How is the island recovering? Are there any places we should avoid because of lack of services or because we might be a burden? Where should we take our donations? Is there anything that has been specifically requested? > > Jeff Janacek on Adirondack Currently at Treasure Cay Sent from my iPhone

      Active Captain and Explorer Charts
      Posted: 26 Jan 2016 11:23 AM PST
      I feel your pain. If you look at
      https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/TheFlyingPigLog/conversations/messages/438 you’ll see the analysis of an issue which follows us around yet today. The most recent was that it might have prevented us from completing our journey to becoming SSCA commodores, for which we had qualified by the time that was written, but never bothered to pursue. Of course, the mistaken rumor, in our case merely propagated by those listening in on the VHF in Elizabeth Harbour, not the vast AC mailing list as yours will fight, has grown substantially in the amplified retelling; the last one I heard was that I had shut down all of Long Island Sound. I disabused the guy who at the time was the incoming SSCA president of the notion, yet, it was presented to the SSCA board two years later. Fortunately, I’d written the post in the link in real time, and was able to point the new president, when he called to see if there was any defense, to it. If I’d not, and had just let it lay, or if Clark hadn’t come directly to us and done his rant, I might never have figured it out – or even known that it was out there – and the SSCA board would have, given the number of members who no doubt have heard the rumor, and passed it along, assumed it was true.
      I presume you’ve sent your rebuttal to AC; I hope he’s man enough to post a retraction. I unequivocally flog your books; I bought a complete new set before we left this time, even though we’re probably not going to do more
      than the Abacos in this trip. I’m about to go back (February), and bemoan the fact that I’m stuck with Navionics (Raymarine plotter), a set which has led to more than one loss, at least one of which I actually saw. We also
      summer there, in preference to the god-awful heat and bugs in Vero Beach…
      One question: We draw 7′ and depended on your routing in Comer Channel when transiting from Long Island to the Raggeds (as they call them locally). With all the excitement in that area, are there updates of which we should
      be aware, or are the current routings still valid?
      Maptech puts CDs with their chartbooks; I use OpenCPN as my nav desk backup to that awful Navionics and integrate those to the NOAA set in the US. Have you considered doing the same with your chartbooks? I have no idea how I’d
      integrate to my plotter, but at least I could see it on my screen below decks. As it is now, we use your waypoints (including the recent updates you put out from time to time) fearlessly; regardless of what our plotter
      shows, we have total confidence in hitting your waypoints. A case in point is the entry from the north in Elizabeth Harbour – a narrow, twisty, awful, butt-puckering ride if you’re not standing on the bow – or using your
      waypoints. Otto faithfully pivots at each waypoint and we watch the coral go by on either side, without touching the wheel. Thank you for that!
      L8R
      Skip
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    • Praise for Key Largo Harbor Marina, Hawk Channel, Key Largo, FL


      Key Largo Harbor Marina overlooks the northern banks of Port Largo Canal, hard by this stream’s 90 degree turn to the west.

      Just had our 42′ sailboat, Pura Vida, hauled out and the bottom painted and topsides detailed. We can’t say enough good things about the staff at this marina. The owners are there everyday and very active in the operation of the yard. Highly recommend their services, very meticulous and thorough. Very secure 24/7. They are making improvements to the facilities and getting better everyday. It’s never fun to live “on the hard,” but the staff here made us feel at home. Pictures of the haul out and work on or FB page at http://www.facebook.com/OurLifeAquaticPuraVida/
      John-Michael on s/v Pura Vida

      Click Here To View the Florida Keys Cruisers’ Net Marina Directory Listing For Key Largo Harbor Marina

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    • More Good Words for Lake Park Harbor Marina, AICW Statute Mile 1017


      Lake Park Harbor Marina is on the west side of the Waterway, one mile north of Lake Worth Inlet. Our thanks to Skipper Silvio for this good report.

      This is a wonderful little marina. The super nice staff stayed past closing to help us get settled on the dock. We never saw less than 8 ft in the entrance channel or in the marina. The bathrooms and laundry were clean and well kept. And there is in fact a Dunkin Donuts two blocks away…..
      Silvio

      Click Here To View the Eastern Florida Cruisers’ Net Marina Directory Listing For Lake Park Harbor Marina

      Click Here To Open A Chart View Window, Zoomed To the Location of Lake Park Harbor Marina

      Comments from Cruisers (1)

      1. Tcomber -  January 29, 2016 - 2:16 pm

        We were required to leave Lisa Marie at this marina for 4-5 weeks a few years ago due to a family crises. The Dockmaster – Mike (I believe formerly from LI) was FANTASTIC.

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    • Good Words for Fort Pierce City Marina, AICW Statute Mile 966.5


      The entrance channel leading to Fort Pierce City Marina, a SALTY SOUTHEAST CRUISERS’ NET SPONSOR!, runs to the west, just south of the Fort Pierce high-rise bridge, and well north of unlighted daybeacon #188.

      This was a fun place to stop for a couple days and wait for weather to pass. They have a well-marked channel (although with a strong current), and spectacular floating concrete docks that were easy to tie up to. The marina has great bathrooms and laundry, but the location is even better. They have a huge Saturday morning farmers market where you can stock up any fresh groceries you’d want, plus at least a dozen restaurants within a few blocks. We ate at 121 Tapas on the Water, and loved it. There’s an Enterprise car rental a mile away if you need it. There’s a manatee education center right next to the marina, an art museum, and some exhibits about Zora Neale Hurston (I didn’t know she was an anthropologist, in addition to being a writer) and about the Highwaymen (a school of local artists). This was a lovely marina, and a great place to spend a couple of days!
      Silvio

      Click Here To View the Cruisers’ Net’s Eastern Florida Marina Directory Listing For Fort Pierce City Marina

      Click Here To Open A Chart View Window, Zoomed To the Location of Fort Pierce City Marina

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      1. Robert Asby -  January 31, 2016 - 9:59 am

        I agree that the Fort Pierce City Marina is a good stop when moving south or north. I spent several weeks there and found it to be convenient, friendly and a good place to recharge …………………… Bob Asby

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    • Bahamas Chatter: “Farmers Cay Update” plus 1 more

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      Bahamas Chatter: “Farmers Cay Update” plus 1 more
      Farmers Cay Update
      Posted: 25 Jan 2016 05:51 AM PST
      Farmers Cay Yacht Club has announced that its nine moorings in the Harbour have been redone with all new stainless steel chain and line. Also, the dock has been replanked and braced. The restaurant is open from 9 am to midnight.

      Satellite Internet – GMN?
      Posted: 25 Jan 2016 04:44 AM PST
      We plan on cruising around Berry Islands, Exumas down to Land & Sea Park and back up to Abacos. I’m particularly concerned about having internet connection in Exumas. I must have at least intermittent access for my US Clients during our 3 mos cruising. Has anyone had any experience with Global Marine Network or can recommend another satellite internet service?
      Thanks
      CC

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