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    • Dinner Key Marina and Coconut Grove – Captain Jane Reports (St. M. 1094.5)

      Our fearless roving reporter, Captain Jane Tigar, turns her discerning eye to Dinner Key!

      View from the marina office entrance. Note the wide fairway and how long a walk it can be from your boat to the gate!

      A convenient stop on your way to the Keys is Dinner Key — not just for dinner, of which there is plenty offered — but maybe even for a day or two checking out the historic sites, not the boring it’s good for you kind of sites, the really fun kind of interesting sites as you’ll see in part 2 of this report.
      This was our first visit and as some of the best things in life are, it was one we had not planned. Out mast too tall for the 56-foot Julia Tuttle Bridge, we seized a brief weather window to make the outside run from Lauderdale to Miami but needed a safe place to sit out the next storm. So, having at least advanced our position if not to The Keys to at least a place with Key in its name, we found ourselves waiting out the weather at Dinner Key Marina owned by the city of Miami. At $2.50 a foot plus tax for a slip with hook-ups, it’s hardly a bargain by more northern standards, but it’s a real deal compared with close to $4 a foot in nearby Miami and, for our touring tastes at least, there’s much more to do and see within walking distance of our boat.
      There are almost 600 slips at the modern cement fixed docks; during the second week of January, transient slips appeared plentiful. During this stormy weekend, we found ourselves comfortable and well protected from the winds and waves on adjacent Biscayne Bay.
      Moorings are plentiful here — over 200! — for boats 40 feet LOA and under at $18 plus tax per night. Call ahead though as there are moorings in depths of as little as 4 feet; marina staff told us there was plenty of room for a 5-foot draft and that despite the written maximum of 40 ft, they could take a boat up to 42 feet LOA. Depths may improve by spring as a $1.4 million 7-month dredging project in the marina has been underway since December 2009. There is shuttle service that runs on demand during the week and on the half hour during weekends between the mooring field and the main dock; schedules are at the office.
      In contrast with Vero Beach Municipal Marina, this is the kind of marina a cynic would imagine a city marina would be. We were welcomed on VHF Channel 68 with somewhat unclear directions to our slip. This was followed by what my first rate first mate calls “the unobtrusive” style of docking assistance. Not only did no one in a bright colored parka wave to us and with a smile point out our slip, no one even at the last minute offered to take a line. There was, to put it simply, no one to help us. On the other hand, fairways are twice as wide as most marinas so it is easy to maneuver and spin around. Oh, and what the heck, it’s good to know that the marina staff has confidence in our docking skills. Be sure, however, to ask which side of the numbered pier your slip is on. The slips are not numbered with all the odd numbers on one side of the pier and all even numbers on the other.
      Clean showers and heads are adjacent to the marina office, all of which is in what I call prison architectural style. If you are at a slip, bear in mind that it can be a very long walk to these facilities. The good news is pump outs are easy — a mobile pump out service is available. Laundry machines look good, but this is such a huge marina for the number of machines, I would not count on this as a laundry stop unless you don’t mind practicing the fine art of getting on line for a set of machines. I’ve seen more machines at marinas a fourth of its size.
      There is no fuel available at Dinner Key Marina, but there is fuel at two adjacent locations, though at Grove Harbour Marina where there is a Shell sign, we were unable to find anyone to help us and we refueled much later down the water way.
      While we did not sense the lively community “it’s camp!” spirit of Vero Beach City Marina and Marathon City Marina, perhaps this was due to everyone huddling in their boats during the cold snap that caused our four-day stay here.

      DIY Docking at Dinner Key Marina

      Dinner Key — still worthy of its name.
      At first glance, Coconut Grove looks like an over-developed city — much like Lauderdale, just smaller. But if you walk just a few blocks from the Marina, it quickly morphs into a charming village of shops and restaurants. If you want to eat out, it appears the Dinner Key appellation still holds and you have a lot of non-chain choices — Italian, Thai, Japanese, Argentinian, French, Spanish … From the marina office, walk to your left and then follow the edge of the marina, past the small commercial fishing vessels and to the main street. Cross the street and head slightly up hill and you’ll start to see the “charming” part of Coconut Grove, hang a left onto Main Avenue and you’ll find lots to choose from.
      For us, this stay, partly due to the excellent provisioning opportunity here (see below) was Dinner on the Boat Key, so we have no restaurant reviews to share. However, it was the weekend of Taste of the Grove, a food and music charity fundraiser held in Peacock Park adjacent to the marina. We can tell you that the items we sampled there at lunch, promising non-chain restaurants include: Atchana’s East/West Kitchen inside the Mutiny Hotel, just across from the Marina; Mayfair Grill at the Mayfair Hotel (excellent pork and jicama salad; and great skirt steak). First mate Michael vouches for Al Fresco’s penne a la vodka. The food at the Ideas restaurant which features “authentic food from Spain” also looked good, but we got full too soon. The Chart House also had attractive looking offerings. We also passed by a restaurant called Focaccio Rustica that looked excellent.

      Easy Provisioning Stop
      For those who prefer to dine on board, this is an excellent provisioning stop. If you don’t follow your iPhone GPS directions, the Fresh Market, a high end super market, is a 10-minute walk to the right (facing the land) basically tracking the shore line and walking through parking lots, going past City Hall in its historic building and Grove Harbour Marina.
      If you are here on a Wednesday, which we were not, check out the Green Market in town; it’s open from 11 to 4 PM. It’s supposed to have locally grown organic produce, local honey and local prepared foods. It’s in the Mayfair Atrium, in the main “cute” shopping area described above.
      While we would have preferred no storms and no record cold snaps, we thank the inclement weather for getting us stuck at Dinner Key.
      Jane Tigar
      S/V Lady Jane

      Stayed at Dinner Key as well, agree with the total lack of signage, very little (none) help from the staff, moored out in the middle of Biscayne bay, nasty chop. Old men have more water pressure than the showers, pump out was doityourself with no assistance and the pump didn’t work. Too many white shirts with VHF radios, nobody gets their hands dirty.They can learn a lot from Vero Beach. Not a good experience
      Peter Marrek

      Our experience exactly ….including non responsive dock hands, ….difficulty in finding slip numbers….etc. etc.
      But we love the downtown area and have taken public transportation to downtown Miami….recomend on sunday only. we checked in here upon returning from the Bahamas and had to go to the cruise ship area to check in.
      Pierre McCormick

      Click Here To View the Eastern Florida Cruisers’ Net Marina Directory Listing For Dinner Key Marina

      Click Here To Open A Chart View Window, Zoomed To the Location of Dinner Key Marina

      Comments from Cruisers (1)

      1. Alexander N Endlein -  March 12, 2016 - 5:05 pm

        If the customer service in most places in Miami is subpar, then the service at Dinner Key Marina is absolute garbage. The kind of service that makes you immediately regret having moved to Miami (and I speak fluent Spanish). The kind of service that forces you to set aside ample time to sit down and write a juicy, one star review just like the one that you are about to read. So you do not mistake this review for one coming from a non-credible source, I should probably mention that I am a USCG licensed Captain (50 ton Master) and a Cambridge engineering graduate with 20 years of boating experience. Also for the record, I have never really written a review before, but this nightmare could not have gone unpublished. Here is the sequence of events:

        1. I signed a one year contract with the marina for a commercial slip in August of 2014. The plan was to run charters to small groups of elite guests aboard my 41-foot Maxum. Having endured a 3-hour long trip down from Fort Lauderdale, my father and I finally pulled into our allocated slip. The very next morning, we were rudely woken by a bunch of goons banging on the fiberglass, asking why we had parked there. They had chained the boat to the seawall. I kindly replied that I had signed a one year contract for that spot. They later unchained the boat and barely made an apology. That is Dinner Key Marina’s idea of a welcome, apparently.
        2. One week following my arrival, I drove up to Orlando for a few days. There, the local police came knocking on my door announcing that they had found a boat registered to my name up on a beach in Fort Pierce (about 125 miles north of Miami). Long story short, a ring of drug smugglers stole my 41 Maxum from Dinner Key Marina. I still wonder if it was not someone from the marina who tipped off my absence. It took 3 months of investigations by the USCG, DEA, and the local Sheriff’s department, and an additional 3 months of quoting repairs before I recouped the money from the insurance company (the boat was declared a total loss). Dinner Key Marina did not help out with anything and did not even express their sympathies for what had happened. I later suggested that they install a camera to monitor that pier (Pier 9) and they really could not have cared less.
        3. I returned to the marina with a new Concept 36. Why do you ask? Because none of the other 30 odd marinas in Miami had availability for commercial vessels. I should also mention that although Dinner Key Marina welcomes commercial vessels, they are not zoned for commercial use. I found that out following a visit to the City Hall trying to get my zoning permit. So technically, everyone there operating commercially is illegal. The operations lady at the Dinner Key Marina, Maria Busto, one of the most impolite, ill-intentioned, dysfunctional individuals I have ever had the displeasure to meet, had promised me following the theft of the 41 Maxum, that she would give me priority on my original slip. Sure enough, when I returned to the marina with the Concept 36, she had given it away to somebody else and left me with a slip amidst a bunch of shrimping boats. Just for the record, all of the frustrating experiences delineated above were delivered almost exclusively by her, Maria Busto. Do not waste even a second of your time with her. Talk directly to Stephen Bogner, the manager, anytime you need assistance. I found this out too late. He is of great character and although he does not have much control over what goes on in his marina, he means well.
        4. My dad fell ill in early 2016 and I was forced to move back to Orlando to tend to him. I terminated my contract with Dinner Key Marina under this premise. My dad just passed away from heart failure at the age of 55. Even knowing about these circumstances, it took Dinner Key Marina nearly 4 months to refund my deposit. E-mails went unanswered almost every time. Every time I called in, no one was around even during business hours. Simply unbelievable.
        5. Summarizing, this was the worst experience I have had with any company in my entire life. I failed to mention the countless times I had to fend off people trying to steal my stuff at the dock (and they did), obnoxious fishermen tossing garbage around and having to pick up after them, birds crapping shrimp guts all over my boat, vandalism, and daily encounters with ill-tempered employees of the marina (with a few exceptions, including Renato, an awesome security guy). Come here at your own peril. This place is a disaster. It will drain you emotionally and ruin your life!

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    • Captain Jane’s In-Depth Look at Boot Key Harbor (Marathon)

      Our fearless roving reporter, Captain Jane Tigar takes an in-depth look below at what may be the most popular port of call in the Florida Keys, Boot Key Harbor!

      We aboard S/V Lady Jane now understand why people heading for the Bahamas, Bimini and elsewhere just happen to get “stuck” in Boot Key. From all I have read of Marathon’s not so long ago history and attendant cruising quality (or lack thereof) life, this truly is an example of how people can make change in the world. This is one of those ICW stops that is now clean, welcoming, fun and a “real community.” If you love Vero Beach Municipal Marina, you may want to check out Boot Key for your next Keys adventure.

      Marathon City Marina, sea wall dockage

      First, getting into Boot Key harbor: We draw 5, so we did not even think of using the Sister’s Creek entrance and most folks we’ve heard from don’t suggest it without local knowledge or a really shoal draft vessel. We used the West entrance which, heading North takes you quite close to the 7-mile bridge.
      Once in the marked harbor entrance, we followed the clearly numbered markers. We have read some recommendations that you not follow the marked dog-legging channel into the harbor, past the open bascule bridge, however, we followed the City Marina’s live radio advice and kept inside that channel. We draw 5 and while I don’t remember the exact depths we found, there was no pitter patter of the heart as I did my periodic glances at the depth sounder. Perhaps the advice I’ve read to go through the mooring field is out of date — I’m not sure.
      The very friendly and capable staff, from what we’ve experienced and heard on the VHF to others, give very clear and good directions to your mooring ball, or to the sea wall if you are taking one of the along-side ties with connections to electricity and land.
      When you check in, be sure to take your included goodie bag — a sturdy thermal shopping bag with useful vendor contact numbers on the outside and a bunch of literature, coupons, and information about the marina and Marathon.
      Your first morning we recommend that at 9 AM you tune in to VHF Channel 68 for the daily morning Cruisers Net program. This is a moderated morning “VHF radio show” that begins with a call to new vessels to the harbor to introduce themselves and say where they came from and what their plans are. Next up a call to departing vessels. Then news announcements — and these are often really worth listening to as it can range from announcements about the closure of the dinghy dock folks used to use for Publix and West Marine to free yoga gatherings at 10 AM next to the tennis courts, a tennis court event, the weekly softball game (equipment provided!), music offerings, cruisers offering free presentations or workshops about something they do or love — this morning it was foot reflexology lessons, tomorrow I’m offering a Native American flute demonstration and talk, last week a couple offered a “concert” from their stern and dinghies from 30 vessels gathered round in late afternoon to enjoy it…
      After the announcements, there’s buy trade and sell; after that cruiser comments and questions about pretty much anything from hair cuts to medical care; then there is time for cruisers needing help or assistance. It ends with Trivia questions — cruisers offer trivia questions and sometimes West Marine posts the question and gives a prize to the first correct answer.
      Now that you’ve been introduced to the community, dinghy in, or if you’re at the sea wall, walk over to the marina office and the giant cruisers’ lounge. It is huge and open only during marina office hours. It’s where you can receive your mail and parcels, buy ice, swap books, sit at a table with your laptop and use the free wifi, work on quiet clean projects (there is a sewing circle going on since we’ve arrived). For big noisy, dirty boater’s projects, walk a little further down the dock to the project rooms. You will probably see someone repairing a dinghy or tinkering with some other boat project. There are lockers there to store your supplies…

      The Tiki Hut, Marathon City Marina. View of the mooring field and one of the dinghy dock areas

      Your first Wednesday — don’t miss the Meet and Greet potluck at the marina’s Tiki hut, or in inclement weather, inside the marina office. It starts at 5:30.
      Good new land heads and showers and a big laundry facility are just a little further down the dock near the humongous floating and new dinghy docks.
      There are only two things I can criticize here and neither would keep me from staying here again. One is that the recycling doesn’t seem to get picked up as quickly as boaters can fill the bins. But I’m so thrilled that there are recycling bins and people are using them, that I feel curmudgeonly even mentioning that it can get a little unsightly near the garbage area in the far end of the parking lot. Could simply have been the glitch of a holiday weekend. The second is the problem of dinghies being a little more enthusiastic to get to land than they should. The marina staff is working on that in a characteristically kind but firm way.
      One of the great things about the City Marina is its location. You are literally adjacent to a great city park with the afore-mentioned tennis courts and soft ball field. We hear you can even borrow tennis rackets from the park. This is municipal service at its best.
      It’s a short walk from the marina to several restaurants — Annette’s Lobster and Steakhouse is right across the street and gets great reviews and a lot of cars in the parking lot for the modestly priced daily buffet lunch is a good sign. The Upper Crust Pizza, just a little to the right up the road from Annettes was also hopping when we passed by, and a Thai and Sushi place just next door. We can vouch for the Thai curries and pad thai — really good and authentic. Or walk left from Annettes to Key Fisheries; it’s a short walk and you can eat at the outdoor covered tables of the restaurant or buy smoked and uncooked fish from the attached fish market. So far, these are the best fish sandwiches we’ve had in the Keys and the spiny lobsters grilled outside to order are excellent and fairly priced. Have several movie titles in mind because you will need one to order your food and Casablanca and Avatar are usually taken. Or hop in your dinghy or kayak and scoot across the harbor to Burdines — they serve great seafood at reasonable prices and it’s a beautiful spot.
      Publix supermarket is only a mile away and for the aerobically hardy, West Marine donated several shopping carts you can wheel to Publix and back to the marina. For the less aerobically inclined, folks on the VHF Boot Key Cruisers Net recommend a taxi service that charges $5 to get you back with your groceries; there will be information in your welcome goodie bag
      Rental cars are available several miles up the road at the Marathon Airport. Budget and Enterprise have some good deals if you shop carefully and check the internet prices as well as the in-house prices — you never know which are better. As we discovered, it can be less expensive to rent a full week than a weekend. With wheels you are within 10 minutes of lots of great places to eat and provision.
      Stayed tuned for Part 2, for a glance at different marina options and maybe even a snorkeling review of Sombrero Reef. Can’t make any promises. We’re in the real Keys now.
      Jane Tigar
      S/V Lady Jane

      One quick correction! At Keys Fisheries ‘” it may not be a movie title you need to place your order; check the white board for the requirement du jour. Today, you needed the name of a cartoon character’¦
      And, while I’m at it ‘” I learned from experience that the City Marina Wednesday night Meet and Greet is an understatement; when they say bring a dish to pass, they mean major pot luck. Last night, the marina staff set out a big long table for the food in the huge cruisers lounge. First timers, like us, bring snacks, and anyone more than one week in residence, brings in real dinner food’¦ It was a big crowd!
      Jane

      We are now on a mooring ball having not visited here since 7 yrs ago. What changes and all for the positive!
      I will ditto all of Capt Janes comments, plus add that a weekly pumpout is included in your mooring fee (they come by your boat on a schedule and you do not need to be on your boat), and water is modestly priced at just 5 cents/gal. This mooring field should be the model for others in FL to follow. The rules are not overbearing and they really cater to the cruising community’“a novelty sometimes in the state of FL.
      Kathy and Jim

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    • Angelfish Creek – Passage Report as of 1/12/10

      I don’t think any channel in the Florida Keys has occasioned more comment here on the Cruisers’ Net than Angelfish Creek. For those who don’t already know, this creek provides a means to cruise from the Inside/Florida Bay Route (from Card Sound), to Hawk Channel and the briny blue. There has always been some question about depths along this route, and we have received many reports here on the Net about an underwater “rock,” near the point where the marked passage meets up with the deeper waters abutting Hawk Channel.
      I have personally sounded the Angelfish Creek on many occasions, and never seen less than 5 1/2 to 6 feet, and I’ve never found the infamous underwater rock. Other veteran Captains insist the rock is indeed out here. I guess yours truly and Captain Dunn (see below) were just lucky enough to avoid this obstruction.
      Even though we have had a recent question and answer string concerning Angelfish Creek here on the Net, I thought Captain Dunn’s report below was detailed and helpful enough to warrant a fresh posting. So, voila!

      Subject: Angelfish Creek Passage on Jan 12, 2010 and Anchorage Resort and Yacht Club, Jewfish Creek, Key Largo
      Cruising News: This is our first trip to the Keys in our 5.5′ draft sailboat. We came down the ICW from Miami to the very nice Anchorage Resort and Yacht Club on Jewfish Ck, Key Largo. I had read and asked for a week and worried about the passage out to Hawks Channel through Angelfish Creek. The dock master at Gilbert\’s Marina where we filled the diesel tank the morning of departure said “wind has been out of the north for several days and the water will be blown out of the creek and under no circumstances to try the passage”. Totally confused at that point, I called the Tow Boat US Key Largo operator on the VHF and asked his opinion. He told me that I should have no problem, especially if I went out on mid to high tide. We anchored for the night on the lee of Pumpkin Key, great anchorage, and left the next morning on the late incoming tide.
      All I had been told was to stay in the middle of the channel, especially at the west and east ends of the Creek. The mention of the infamous rock just before the deeper water of Hawks Channel loomed in my mind. All went very well. I never marked a true depth of less than 8.5′ and never
      felt the “rock”.
      I hope this helps others. I did follow the channel carefully, stayed in the middle at all times, and went out on a late to high tide.
      Captain Paul Dunn
      Serendipidty

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    • Dinghy Access Discontinued at Hurricane Hole Marina in Boot Key Harbbor (Marathon)

      Hopefully, as Captain Charmaine notes below, dinghy access will be restored within a few months at Hurricane Hold Marina. In the meantime, you can always dinghy ashore at the Boot Key Harbor City Marina and Sombrero Marina and Dockside Lounge.

      January 14, 2010
      FL KEYS – Boot Key Harbor
      Hurricane Hole Marina Dinghy Access
      No Longer Available due to Construction
      Wanted to let you know that in the Keys’ Boot Key Harbor dinghy access to shore via the Hurricane Hole Marina has been discontinued due construction at the Marina.
      I suspect construction will be ongoing for several months. I’ll be sure to send you an update in the future so your readers will know if and when access again becomes available.
      Big Hugs,
      Charmaine Smith Ladd
      Aboard s/v September Sea
      SeptemberSea.com

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    • Saving Florida Sales Tax

      The string of messages below is copied from the T&T (Trawlers and Trawlering) mail list, which, as always, we HIGHLY recommend as an adjunct to the Salty Southeast Cruisers’ Net. Anyway, perhaps these words of wisdom from our fellow cruisers might help to save some of us a bit of money, or at least a bit of confusion!

      A broker told me , as a selling point, that if I use a “broker” to sell my Florida boat, and then use a “broker” to buy the next boat, that I would be able to save the sales tax on the value of what my boat sold for.He claimed that was only doable with a broker.
      Anyone have any knowledge of this?
      See you in Paradise!
      Capt Sterling

      I’m not convinced he is representing the matter entirely truthful.
      According to Florida law, the purchase of your new vessel and the trade-in of your old vessel must be consummated in one single transaction.
      Your trade-in vessel must be placed into dealer inventory for resale.
      http://dor.myflorida.com/dor/forms/2009/gt800006.pdf
      Ryan

      I have first experience with this in Washington State. It worked here.
      Cheers –
      Peter

      Florida brokers can reduce the sales tax due for a buyer by subtracting the selling price of the trade-in vessel therefore making the total amount taxable the difference between the selling prices.
      This must be properly documented and executed. If you play by the rules, the savings can be significant.
      Judy

      But, the same does not hold true if an individual trades with another individual…correct?
      RC

      A vessel may be traded in towards the purchase of another vessel with the resulting sales tax savings only through a Florida registered and licensed yacht broker or dealer. It must be a sale and purchase by a Fl. broker/dealer in a single simultaneous transaction. This answers the questions of FSBO and trade in with intention of delayed purchase.
      Judy

      Well — perhaps it could if done correctly. If you are trading a $60,000 boat for an $80,000 boat, it seems to me that you could sell your boat for $1,000 and buy the other boat for $21,000. Just a thought.
      Alan

      All this sales tax thru brokers assumes the boat will stay in Florida and you are a Florida resident. You have, I think, 90 days to get out of Florida if you are not a Florida resident and you avoid Florida sales tax altogether. I bought privately in Florida and left in 2 weeks; no Florida sales tax.
      Ed

      But I believe in that situation you are liable to your state of residence for the sales tax. If they discover your purchase and if they realize you did not pay Florida sales tax they’ll send you a bill
      for it. There was a lot of turmoil some years back on a similar issue regarding Internet sales.
      Marty

      Florida has extended the Sales Tax Exemption from 90 days to 180. So yes, if you buy a boat in Florida through a licensed broker, you can stay in the state for 180 days without paying sales tax, certain conditions apply.
      But I think the point of the original post is that if you are buying a boat in Fl. and required to pay sales tax, trade-in under certain conditions can help save the sales tax total due.
      Judy

      I bought privately in Florida and left in 2 weeks; no Florida sales
      tax.”

      I just caught this mistake. Private buyers must pay sales tax in
      Florida!

      It is only licensed brokers that can offer the Affidavit for Sales Tax Exemption.
      If someone bought a boat privately in Fl. without paying sales tax, I would recommend seeking advice from a Florida maritime attorney if you plan to return to Fl. or if you plan to sell it to a buyer who might cruise Florida.
      Judy

      Just so there’s no confusion in terminology and to clear up a minor point.
      The exemption for a purchaser in Florida who is going to remove the purchased boat from the state applies even to private sales. Florida licensed brokers are required by the state to collect the sales tax due, unless a specific exemption applies (in the situation being discussed, removal from Florida within the “grace” period – Judy says it’s now 180 days). The seller in a private sale is not required to collect the sales tax; the burden is on the buyer to pay the sales tax (if the boat isn’t exempt).
      The tax paid to the “other” state where the boat is going to be taken after the purchase is a _USE_ tax, not a sales tax. Generally speaking, a state’s USE tax is the same percentage as it’s SALES tax.
      This is generally true in any state that has a sales tax or use tax. The exemption period may vary as well as the tax rates.
      I won’t go into any more of a discussion on this here, but just wanted to clear up some misperception that has already creeped into the several posts on this topic. There’s lots of info about the subject of taxes (both sales and use) on the internet and in the archives.
      Bob and Judy

      Bottom line — When you go to register your vessel, you will either pay sales tax at time of sale, or you will pay sales tax when you attempt to register your vessel in your home state.
      There are two ways to reduce your sales tax burden — via a trade in which reduces the taxable amount (because you already paid tax on the trade in), or by purchasing the boat for export (i.e. forming a corporation in the Cayman Islands that purchases the boat). Going the offshore route has its advantages, but unless the boat is a high dollar item, the fees associated with maintaining offshore ownership often outweighs the tax advantages of doing so.
      Gone are the days where you can cheat the guvmint out of their share. They will find out whether you paid or not and they *will* collect.
      Ryan

      There is no “exemption” anywhere.
      You will either pay sales tax in the state in which you purchase the vessel or you will pay sales tax in the state in which you register the vessel, but one way or the other, you *will* pay sales tax. Which state you pay in is determined by whether your state and the state in question have a reciprocity agreement in place. Some states do; others do not.
      Here are the rules for Florida:

      http://dor.myflorida.com/dor/forms/2009/gt800006.pdf

      If you are from out of state and buy from a broker, the broker will not collect sales tax with the caveat that you get the boat out of Florida within either 90 or optionally 180 days if you purchase an extension decal.
      This does not absolve you of your sales tax burden however. When you attempt to register the boat in another state, they will want to see proof that sales tax has been paid. Since you paid no sales tax in Florida, you will have no proof of same and will be required to pay sales tax in your state in order to successfully register your vessel.
      If your state requires the payment of sales tax in conjunction with the purchase of a vessel, you *will* pay that sales tax, regardless of which other state you purchased the boat.
      It is for this very reason that you will often see boats advertised “not for sale to US citizens while in US waters.” The boat was originally purchased by an offshore shell corp. or some other offshore entity for the purposes of avoiding taxation. If the boat were to be sold in the US, taxes would have to be paid by all parties. Since the seller doesn’t want to pay those taxes, he can only sell the boat to another offshore entity.
      Unless you take your registration offshore, you are obligated to pay.
      Ryan

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    • Slow Fueling at Grove Harbour Marina (near Dinner Key Marina, St. M. 1094.5)

      Grove Harbour Marina is located in the complex of marinas and marine service firms at Dinner Key/Coconut Grove.

      Despite having personally walked over to Grove Harbour Marina adjacent to Dinner Key Marina and inquired about fueling up the day before and having received directions and opening hours, late this morning, no one answered our hails on 16 and we circled for 15 minutes while trying to reach the fuel dock by phone. After several calls, someone claiming to be in the know said someone was coming but it was like waiting for Godot. We gave up and left. I hope this is an aberration. Based on our experience, I wouldn’t count on this for a fuel stop.
      Captain Jane Tigar

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    • Anchorage Resort & Yacht Club (Jewfish Creek, Statute Mile 1134)

      Anchorage Resort & Yacht Club sits just south of the new, high-rise Jewfish Creek Bridge, and on the opposite shore from Gilberts Marina. Many cruisers consider Jewfish Creek to be the northerly genesis of real cruising in the Florida Keys, at least for those choosing the Inside/Florida Bay/ICW route.

      Subject: Anchorage Resort and Yacht Club, Jewfish Creek, Key Largo
      Cruising News: We came south in the ICW from Miami in out 5.5 ft draft sailboat for our first cruise to the Keys. We found this marina in the guide book and noted a BOAT US discount for $1.50/ft for transient dockage. This is a wonderful marina in all respects. The docks are easy to approach. There is no extra charge for water or electric. There is a pool, hot tub, shower and restroom, grill for cooking out on their patio, and a great sunset view. The folks are friendly and do not bother you with unnecessary rules or regulations. I highly recommend this as a lay over for anyone. No fuel at their docks, but just across the creek is fuel. The new fixed high rise bridge over Jewfish Creek makes easy waterway travel.
      Paul Dunn

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    • John C. Pennekamp Coral Reef State Park Marina (off Hawk Channel, near Key Largo)

      The marina associated with John C. Pennekamp Coral Reef State Park is accessed by a marked passage, leading from Hawk Channel, just north of the Key Largo Canal. I have always found this passage deep, reliable, and far better marked that what the charts would indicate. However, there has been some whisperings here on the Net of late, that depths along this entrance channel are shoaling. Can anyone update us on the soundings here????? If so, please click on the “Comment on This Posting/Marina/Anchorage/Bridge” link below, and share your observations.

      We really enjoyed 2 days at John Pennekamp State Park where the coral reef is on Key Largo. They have 2 slips that they rent ($50 per day a few years ago) right in front of the park dock where the dive boats are. We had no problem with our 4.5 ft. draft 53 ft. Hatteras. You can take the park boats out to snorkle or dive the beautiful reefs, or go to the free govt. mooring balls with your big boat if it’s a nice day.
      Doug

      Jana and I enjoyed 2 days at Pennecamp between xmas and new years on our 45′ sundancer (Sun Dog). If you carefully stay in the marked channel, you’ll be fine. We never saw less than 6′ depths.
      Mike Griffin

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    • Dinghy Dockage Now Available At Tarpon Basin Anchorage (Florida Keys, Inside Route, St. M. 1139.5)

      There are actually several good anchor down spots in Tarpon Basin (see links below). This body of water is traversed by the Florida Keys Inside Route (ICW), southwest of Blackwater Sound. Now, we hear from Captain Sterling below, that dinghy dockage may well be available here. That’s excellent news as dinghy access is becoming an endangered species in the Florida Keys

      Subject: Tarpon Basin
      Cruising News: Seems the newly constructed Government center in Tarpon Basin, bayside Key Largo, is allowing cruisers to use the docks for their dinghys for shore access.
      THis is close to Publix and KLI hardware Store, and Kmart.
      Let’s hope they continue to allow this.
      Capt. Sterling

      A pump-out boat comes to Tarpon Basin once a week. They had some problems with the boat March 2009, but were supposed to go by every thursday. Try them on Ch 16.
      Stein A. Holtbakk

      The dinghy dock you are referring to is behind the new government center in Key Largo.
      All addresses in the Keys are by reference to Mile Marker (land) or Statue Mile (water). In this case, the land address is approximately MM 102, and the SM is 1139.
      Once you leave Biscayne Bay, you pass through Card Sound, then Barnes Sound, and all of the subsequent bodies of water have a specific name that you will see on your chart or guide. The dock you are looking for is in Tarpon Basin, entered from Blackwater Sound as you pass through Dusenbury Cut. Depths outside the channel are shallow, so be sure you navigate carefully.
      The government building is yellow and you should have no trouble locating it.
      Martin I. Veiner &
      Margaret Rogers Shearon

      There’s no pump out boat this season [2011].
      Don and Mango

      Click Here To View the Florida Keys Cruisers’ Net Anchorage Directory Listing For Tarpon Basin Northern Anchorage

      Click Here To View the Florida Keys Cruisers’ Net Anchorage Directory Listing For Tarpon Basin Southern Anchorage

      Click Here To View the Floridas Keys Cruisers’ Net Anchorage Directory Listing For Tarpon Basin Interior Anchroage


      Tarpon Basin Dinghy Dock at Government Center


      Tarpon Basin Waste Pump-Out Boat

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    • Tarpon Basin, Northern Anchorage (Statute Mile 1139.5)

      Well, while we usually use the “Tarpon Basin Interior Anchorage,” if the weather is cooperative enough to make the basin’s “Northern Anchorage” comfortable, it’s certainly easy to enter and close to the Waterway.

      We used the northern anchorage last May for several days due to weather. Good protection and holding. Also used the docks at the government facility for our dinghy.
      No problems.
      David S. Power

      A pump-out boat comes to Tarpon Basin once a week. They had some problems with the boat March 2009, but were supposed to go by every thursday. Try them on Ch 16.
      Stein A. Holtbakk

      Click Here For The Cruisers’ Net’s Florida Keys Anchorage Directory Listing For Tarpon Basin, Northern Anchorage

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    • Rickenbacker Marina (Key Biscayne, near Miami, near Statute Mile 1091.5)

      I am sorry to hear that things are not going well at Rickenbacker Marina. This faciltiy is owned by the city of Miami, and its fortuntes rise and fall with the city’s current state of affairs.

      We were long term customers here, both mooring and slip.
      The moorings are in the middle of allot of power boat and jet ski activity, in and around the marina, and also exposed to northerly winds which tend to be the stronger winds we get in the winter, what I did and would recommend, pay for the mooring to have access to the marina facilities but anchor in the marine stadium that has excellent holding and is very well protected, gets just a chop even in high winds. You’ll sleep well there. Bear in mind that I have heard over and over that anchoring will be prohibited there but last I heard boats were still anchoring there. On the plus side the moorings are well maintained, screw type and our boat at the time an Oday 39 survived hurricane Wilma on the mooring.
      The dingy dock at the marina is just a mud bank under some mangroves so your shoes get muddy and your dingy will quickly foul from the wet decaying leaves inside your boat. That was always a headache. If you are there for just a few days you can put up with it. The bathrooms are in poor condition so you may prefer to shower on your boat.
      The marina facilities are in urgent need of a renovation and last I heard the City of Miami had a complete renovation plan for Virginia Key that included the marina putting up some millions for a major refit. Don’t know if the renovations have begun yet or if they will ever materialize.
      As for the slips, they have no finger piers which was a major headache with our now double ender, not so bad with other type boats but not ideal at all, and just two pilings outboard, not ideal for tying up either, and with no central pilings it’s very easy to end up banging into the boat alongside on a windy day. With all the power boat action outside the marina and mega yachts passing by on the inter coastal, strong wakes come in and really thrash the boats especially on weekends but sometimes even in the middle of the night I thought I was going to fall out of my bunk. Double up the lines and get a slip as far in as your draft will allow and if you have a choice don’t get a slip beyond 3/4 out on the piers. On the plus side security is extremely tight, cameras everywhere. Nothing get’s lifted at these docs without it being filmed.
      An excellent, very friendly and helpful staff, unfortunately at a marina needing a breakwater and major renovations / redesign. Hopefully it will get done.
      Jules Robinson

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    • Impressions of Boca Chita Key (ICW/Biscayne Bay, near Statute Mile 1106)

      Boca Chita Key is part of the Everglades National Park, and is located south of Miami, on Biscayne Bay. The approach channel can get a bit skinny at MLW, but the harbor is well sheltered!

      We enjoy Boca Chita and have stayed here several times. During the week there are usually a few cruising boats as well as a couple smaller boats which have brought campers to the island. There is no charge for day use but overnight in the Marina is $20.00 (half price for a Senior Park pass). One must pay everyday by check or cash, so come prepared with correct amount of money. This is $5 more than last year. You get a campsite with each boatslip and campsites alone are $15.00.
      On the weekends, Boca Chita can become a big Cuban party. Large and small boats pack in rafted up two deep, the domino boards come out, a pig is roasted in a box and Spanish is the language spoken. Everyone is friendly and the regulars all know each other. Despite the “no generators after 10 PM rule”, the large boats run gen sets all day and night which can be annoying if one prefers the rustling of the palm trees in the salt breeze. We are here Christmas eve and we will see what Christmas weekend brings. We are told that New Years Eve is an especially big party, complete with music over loud speakers etc. As long as the wind is blowing, Boca Chita is a great place. If calm, the mosquitoes take over even in the winter. There is no water or electric and trash needs to be taken out. There are flush saltwater toilets which have been recently upgraded a bit with new paint and lights at night.
      Jean and Mel on DOVEKIE

      Boca Chita Key Marina Harbor - That's DOVEKIE in the corner, center

      Boca Chita Key Marina Harbor - That's DOVEKIE in the corner, center

      Click Here To View the South Florida Keys Cruisers’ Net Marina Directory Listing For Boca Chita Key Marina and Visitor’s Center

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    • Depths on Florida Keys Inside Route

      Captain Roy’s question below is in response to a posting last spring by Captain Charmaine (see line below). However, I thought he might get more response if I placed it on this “Florida Keys” Cruising News section. I will also post it on the “Ask Your Neighbor” section. Those who have recently cruised the Florida Keys inside passage, please chime in by click the “Comment on This Posting/Marina/Anchorage/Bridge” link below.

      Hey Charmaine’¦ how about Bowlegs Cut, Steamboat Channel, and the other rumored `shallow spots’ on the inside route? I’m interested in taking the inside route all the way from Miami, but I keep hearing that depths are less than 4′ in some of these notorious spots. Comments ???
      Rapid Roy

      Editor’s Note – The waters described below by Captain Turner are part of the so-called “Back Route” from Marathon to Key West. While this is theoretically part of the “ICW – Inside Route,” it is a portion of the Wateway seldom run by cruising size craft. Most captains choose to run Hawk Channel from Marathon to Key West. Conversely, my experience with the inside route from Jewfish Creek to Marathon is that, unless the tide is unusually low, you can count on minimum 5-foot depths! If anyone has seen less depth between Jewifish and Marthon, PLEASE let us hear form you by following the “Comment . . . ” link below!

      Did the inside route on nov 2 09, depths for about half a mile
      between Cudjoe Key and Big Spanish Key (st. mile 1213) got down to 4 feet during low tide. High tide would give you another 2.5- 3.5 feet
      Ed Turner

      Click Here To Read Captain Charmaine’s earlier article on depths along the Florida Keys Inside Route

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    • Marathon Marina and Mooring Field Discussion

      The discussion below originated on the AGLCA (American Great Loop Cruisers’ Association) mail list. There is soooo much good info here that I have copied the entire string below.

      We are thinking about a month in the Keys, Marathon or nearby for the month of February.
      Any information or marina recommendations would be appreciated. Vaughn would like a pool nearby and I just want to avoid the $50-60-rates, yikes!
      Hope everyone has a safe and happy holiday season
      Jim & Vaughn

      Jim,
      Last winter we spent a month at Sombrero Resort and Marina, and liked it. They have a pool, and restaurant on site. And, you are a short bike ride from anything you want. I think we paid a less than $40 a night, for the monthly rate.
      Also…I know you like to anchor…they have 200+ moorings at the Marathon Mooring field, and it is a community all itself. Each morning at 9 am everyone gets on the VHF (68) and try to help one another with what ever issues they have. They also have a huge dinghy area and you can walk to West Marine. Plus…awesome fishing in the area…I went fishing in my dinghy every day. You can catch your dinner every night.
      Merry Christmas.
      Bob Koerner
      M/V Headquarters

      ADIOS is currently in Marathon for a month. We are at the city marina on a mooring. It’s a great community lifestyle with a large lounge area with TVs &WIFI, separate building for showers and a huge project room. In fact John is building a Chesapeake Light Craft kit sailing dinghy (stitch & glue) in there; he’s getting lots of supervision. Staff is great; they’re hosting a huge Christmas dinner with 80 boats last count. Mooring cost is $275 + tax for the month. Walk/dinghy to West Marine (they have a dock) and also Publix (dock for $5 I’ve heard) but walkable; Home Depot in walking distance. There is a bus to Key West ($1.50 each way for seniors; $3 otherwise). Enterprise is at the airport and will pick you up; great weekend rates. Our 2nd time here and the improvements are impressive. Two years ago we came for a night and stayed 3 weeks. They do have limited dockspace.
      John & Ellie
      ADIOS

      Click Here To View the Florida Keys Cruisers’ Net Marina Directory Listing For Sombrero Resort and Lighthouse Marina

      Click Here To View the Florida Keys Cruisers’ Net Marina Directory Listing For Boot Key Harbor City Marina

      Click Here To View the Florida Keys Cruisers’ Net Anchorage Directory Listing For The Boot Key Harbor Mooring Field

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    • Coral Bay Marina (Inside Route, Islamorada, FL, near Statute Mile 1160)

      Coral Bay Marina is located near World Wide Sportsman and Bayside Marina on Little Basin. Depths can get a bit skinny here during low tide.

      We called the marina on a Saturday with tornadoes on the way. The emergency number reached the owner who said `Come on in.’ With a long face dock we were secure from the not-as-bad-as-forecast storms, but watched boats drag in the anchorage. Basic but good facilities with access to land-based services. And helpful characters in the marina. It was a welcome haven we would recommend.
      Jeff Wingfield

      Location, Location, Location, this marina is smack dab right in the middle of the some of the finest restaurants, bars, live music and shopping in the Keys.
      It’s very small and rustic, tucked away in the mangroves and just a short taxi ride away is all the fun you can imagine, five star restaurants, resorts and spas or no star dive bars and everything in-between, I like them all and there’s live music everywhere !! Some art galleries, museums, etc..etc..etc’¦ Plus, The Trading Post, a small gourmet market just one block away, all the fresh food you could want, open 24 hrs when I was there. Several shops that the ladies will like are within walking distance as well.
      Great staff, friendly and helpful live aboards, small but updated and very clean bathrooms / showers, a small laundry and a full service yard. I would go in and out with a five foot draft at mid to high tide.
      Be sure to have a good recent landside guide when you come in.
      Jules Robinson

      Click Here To View the Florida Keys Cruisers’ Net Marina Directory Listing For Coral Bay Marina

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    • Caesar Creek – Rubicon Key – Reid Key Anchorage

      Caesar Creek is a shallow inlet which runs off Biscayne Bay, south of Miami, and eventually leads to the briny blue. The shallowest portion of the so-called channel is found on the Florida Bay side, and MLW depths can easily run to 4 feet. We’ve only anchored here a couple of times over the years, and I don’t remember the mosquito problem Captain Jim describes below, but I have no doubt he is quite correct, if the wind begins to die.

      Stay here only if the wind is howling otherwise the mosquitoes will run you off. If you have the best screens, the buzzing will keep you awake all night. If its calm, anchor in the Atlantic east of Elliott or keep motoring south to Florida Bay.
      Jim

      Click Here For The Cruisers’ Net’s Florida Keys Anchorage Directory Listing For Caesar Creek – Rubicon Key – Reid Key Anchorage

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    • Bahia Honda Anchorage (off Hawk Channel, west of Marathon and Moser Channel)

      Both the Bahia Honda anchorage and Bahia Honda Florida State Park, are accessible for cruising size craft only from Hawk Channel. Small craft can reach these waters from the inside route by passing under a low, fixed bridge, but larger vessels must enter through a gap in the old Pine Island – Bahia Honda Key Bridge, from the Hawk Channel.
      While Captain Jim is quite correct about the strong currents which plague this anchor down spot, we still see people dropping the hook here all the time. The “State Park marina” is small, but it does feature a sheltered harbor.

      Dont risk anchoring here, pay a few bucks and tie up dockside at the State Park marina. The tide rips between both bridges and you will flip direction every time the tide changes. The current is so strong under the old abandoned bridge that you need to be on a plane in a power boat at peak ebb tide to pass under it ! The north bridge has little vertical clearnace and the abandoned railroad bridge has concrete piers every 100′, so if your anchor slips you will be sanded with concrete.
      jim

      Hello,
      I have anchored here, while the currents are strong, the holding is very good and our all chain rode kept us dug in well along with a few other boats during 30-40 knot squalls from the south one night. we didn’t drag and I didn’t see anyone else that did.
      And the state park is very nice for hiking, swimming, sunbathing, bathrooms, showers, snack bar, gift shop etc. they have a tour boat that goes out to the reefs and other amenities. I look forward to returning.
      Cap Jules
      S/V Nemesis
      Dinner Key Marina
      Miami

      Click Here For The Cruisers’ Net’s Florida Keys Anchorage Listing For The Bahia Honda Anchorage

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    • Harbor Cay Club (Marathon, North Shore, off the ICW/Inside Passage)

      The Harbor Cay Club is located on the norther shore of Marathon, a bit east of the old location of Faro Blanco, Bayside. While it is a private club, Captains Andrew, Sallyann and Tut, are quite correct that they will take visitors when slip owners’ vessels are absent. This is a nice facility, and worthy of every Florida Keys cruiser’s attention.

      We’ve been at Harbour Cay Club in Marathon for 4 days and feel like part of the community. This is a great location for those who like to be away from commercial marinas. It’s quiet and close to shopping. Publix,Kmart, Winn Dixie ,West Marine, Home Depot are within 2 miles. Daffy Dan’s Dollar store is less then a mile away.There are no hills so walking and biking to the stores and restaurants is easy.
      Free self serve pump-outs are at each slip. The club house, has a laundry room (2w2d, an ironing station and bins for your detergent – yeah no more lugging) and 2 unisex bathrooms with showers). All areas are well kept.
      Several owners are not using their slips this winter. They would be happy to rent slips to Loopers at a very competitive fee. Cats are allowed – Sorry no dogs.
      I asked Ed Skinner, fleet captain, to provide the info below.

      Harbour Cay Club is a private, non-commercial, marina located bayside in Marathon, Florida Keys. We are a not-for-profit corporation and our members have the option of renting their assigned dock space. This year we have several members not in attendance so we have some space available on a monthly and weekly basis. Please refer to our website at harbourcayclub.org for additional information and send me an email to fleetcaptain@harbourcayclub.org. Leave me a phone number and I will be glad to call and answer any questions.
      Thank You Very Much,
      Ed Skinner
      HCC Fleet Captain

      We have no association with Harbour Cay Club . We’re just sharing info on a great place to stay.
      Andrew, Sallyann and Tut (Cats Rule, Dogs Drool)
      Looping Aboard: Freedom – American Tug 34

      Click Here To View the Florida Keys Cruisers’ Net Marina Directory Listing For Harbor Cay Club

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    • Unhappy News Concerning the New Dinner Key Mooring Field (Miami, FL)

      Hmmmmm, sounds like the new mooring field at Coconut Gove (Miami) has some real administrative problems.

      We came into the new dinner key mooring field on Dec 1, and they asked us to take a mooring on the outskirts of the field that was a fair dingy ride in and is subject to wakes from boats in the channels before they begin to slow down ‘” we are a 40′ Jeanneau ds40 with a 5’ draft –
      As we dinghied in we noted several 40’+ boats with deeper draft closer in so we asked if we could move closer in as most of the field is currently empty ‘”
      we suggested a mooring number and told to go ahead and move which we did. Now we are told that the mooring we moved to is a 30′ mooring and the original mooring we were on was a 40′ mooring – in fact i would estimate that over 2/3 of the mooring field is designed for boats less than 40′ and we were told that they can not accomadate any boat greater than 42′ – when i told them a 47′ boat just left for the islands they agreed and told us that the boat was told they could no longer use the field because they were too big –
      There is also a very very tiny dingy dock
      Trying not to be to prejudical, it appears if this is a test field for the florida anchoring problem they designed it for failure – in fact you may just want to anchor on the other side of the mooring field and not have to pay which is right next to the 40-42’ moorings
      just my thoughts
      chuck patty and svsoulmates
      miami fl

      Hello,
      As for the engineering of the field I guess what is done is done for now. Short of building a break water all around the field, I don’t know. It’s an unprotected area, so it will be rolly polly from wind, waves and wakes. I suppose the center of the field and closer to land may be the best spot to be in if you have a choice and a lesser draft.
      But in regards to the dingy dock I was told that the larger floating dingy dock by the boat ramp will eventually be available to the mooring customers, once the mooring customer showers, baths and offices are installed. However for security purposes my preference would be where they have it now, well inside the marina and close to the harbormasters office, better a small safe dingy dock than one exposed to the street and to the unsavory characters that hang around the boat ramp at night.
      Hope things improve.
      Jules
      S/V Nemesis
      Dinner Key Marina
      Miami

      I keep my boat (70 feet) in Florida most of the winter and in Nantucket Harbor during the summer. In Nantucket we’re on a mooring, there is a Town-owned and operated pump-out boat running 7 days a week, launch service, two good-sized dingy docks and even delivery service. The Harbormaster’s building, at the foot of the Town Dock where the dingy docks are has nice bathrooms with clean showers. The water in the Harbor is clean, so clean that the Harbor is used for commercial scalloping in the fall and winter, and it is certainly clean enough for swimming. The health of the scallop population is dependent on clean water and healthy beds of sea grass. If boats were anchored instead of on moorings the sea grass beds would be destroyed in a season or two.
      Contast this with Florida where mooring fields are few and far between, pump-out facilities (let alone pump-out boats) are scarse and out-of service much of the time, and amenities of any kind are limited to say the least. I don’t get it. Florida’s waters are just as precious as New England’s waters. I’ve been reading for years about the damage done to coral by yachts anchoring on top of or too close to the reefs. If there was a mooring field close by (but not too close) and an anchoring ban enforced it strikes me that the problem would be at least partially solved.
      Just my opinion.
      Nancy

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    • “Fat Alberts” As Seen From the Cudjoe Channel – Tarpon Belly Keys Anchorage

      The Cudjoe Channel cuts south from the so-called “Back Route” leading from Marathon to Key West. This interesting passage cuts north past Pine Key, and then out into the open waters of the Gulf. At this point, mariners heading for Key West, turn to the (you guessed it) west, and skip along off the northern face of the undeveloped Keys, until reaching Northwest Channel, which leads, in turn, to the many delights of Key West.
      There are numerous anchorage possibilites off the “Back Route” after turning to the west. Cudjoe Channel is one, but this anchor down spot has the interesting advantage of often affording a view of the “Fat Alberts.” These are massive weather/radar ballons that the US Navy flies at the end of a long, long tethers from Cudjoe Key. The only trouble is they sometimes break free, and the Navy has to scramble a couple of fighters out of nearby Boca Chica Key to shoot them down, lest they drift into Cuban airspace
      .

      Just a note about Fat Albert. It has a diesel generator in it so they have to bring it down every so often to fill the diesel tank. it can fly in up to about 60 MPH winds so it is not that dependent on the wind speed. it is also interesting how often it points in a different direction than the wind direction at sea level.
      Captain Rick

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