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We will be making our way down from Ft Lauderdale next week to Maratheon & then up the West side. Those who have been in this area I would appreaciate comments on where the great marinas are located or interesting stops.
Also if we go down the ICW where can we cross to Hawks channel easily, or should we go Hawks from Miami?. We draw 4.5 ft
Any comments on the route from Maratheon to Naples?
Thanks
Larry
Hi Larry,
The best the Keys has to offer is on the Gulf side!
Too often people just do the Florida Keys – Hawk Channel three-step (Largo, Marathon, and Key West).
But, as an example, we list 222 anchorages and moorings in our guide, most of them on the Gulf side.
And with 4.5 foot draft, you're in great shape to get off the Magenta Line and explore!
To answer your question, don't stay in Hawk Channel. Play the 19 crossovers to experience all that both "sides" of the Keys have to offer.
But you will want to cross back over to Hawk Channel at the Channel Five, Moser Channel, or Bahia Honda Channel crossovers … versus going up the "back country" route over Big Pine, etc.
If you're in Miami for the Boat Show, stop by the Strictly Sail Author's Corner. I'm giving a Keys presentation on Monday at 1045 hrs (Tent A). We'll get down and get Keysie. [wink]
Stay in the deep water,
Mark Doyle
I think it's great fun to stop at John Pennekamp state park at Key Largo. They have 2 slips righ in front of the park dock with power and water. Take to park boat out to the reef and scuba or snorkel. It's a beautiful coral reef. You can also take your own boat out to the reef and use one of the gov't, moorings free. Snorkel from your own boat and eat lunch moored over the reefs. Watch your charts carefully getting to the moooring balls, but there's plenty of water depth to go in and out. The mooring field at the poark is for smaller boats. Ours draws 4.5 ft. and it was fine getting in and out at the
park dock, but the mooring lagoon is too shallow.
Doug Shuman
The discussion below was copied from the Net's "Ask Your Neighbor" page (/ask_your_neighbor/ask_your_neighbor/).
We would appreciate suggestions on where to stay in the Keys next Winter. We’ll need a slip for a 42’ boat with a four foot draft and will probably want to haul the boat and have the bottom cleaned. Our initial thought is to rent an apartment for a few weeks but no longer than a month. The apartment does not have to be on the water but does need to be within easy bicycle range of the marina. We hope to find quiet, reasonably priced, locations and are willing to make a commitment now to hold a good apartment and a good slip.
Dave and Pam Feltner
Islamorada, Plantation Yacht Harbor. Great we have stayed there for years. Now fully rebuilt docks $21.00 foot park you car at the boat. pyh.com
Bob
This is our first winter in the Keys. Right now we are in Marathon at the Sombrero Marina and Dockside (305) 743-0000. This is a good start for us, the price is good for the month, we have a 66' with a four foot draft. There is plenty of water here. We plan on exploring so being at mile marker 50 makes it easy. There are plenty of bike paths, shopping, golf course, and a lively Dock Side Tiki Bar and Lounge with live music. Good places for breakfast, lunch and dinner in walk/bike distance. The Marathon Airport is two miles away with every car rental Nice, friendly people. If you are looking for laid back, this is the place. Very quiet during the day, the music generally dies down around 9:00 pm. Nights are quiet. Just down the road from the this Marina is another one, Sombrero Resort and Lighthouse Marina, they have condos for rent, don't know much more than that. Best of luck with your search. The Keys are beautiful.
Karen and Denny
I copied the discussion below from the Net's "Ask Your Neighbor" page (/ask_your_neighbor/ask_your_neighbor/). In turn, the original question and answer were copied, with permission, from the T&T (Trawlers and Trawlering) list.
Anyway, I thought this discussion contained plenty of good info which should also have a place here on the Net's "Florida Keys" section.
We're heading from Miami south to the keys, Marathon, probably Key West eventually. 1st time. Maerin draws an even 5 ft. We avoid marinas except as a last resort. We have no schedule.
Our plan it to head down Hawk Channel, from what we can gather from all the information we have available, inside is doable but I'm crazy about having a lot of contact with the bottom. I'd rather stay in deeper water and be able to relax a bit, at least for my initiation to cruising the Keys. Seems most of the cruising guides are directed toward 3 ft. of draft!
I'd welcome any input, especially recommendations of spots where we might be able to anchor for a day or so as we make our way south.
Steve Sipe
Solo 4303 "Maerin"
Lying N of Belle Is. Miami Beach
Steve,
Plenty of deep water in Hawks Channel. Our usual run is Key Biscayne/Miami to Rodriguez Key, To Marathon and Key West can be done from there on a long day. Look for strong easterly winds form Miami to Marathon and don't leave Miami until they either go light or go northwest. Its a great trip and just watch the depth sounder going into Rodriguez. We were based out of the Keys for 10 years with a 6 foot draft. Chuck
Steve
I've done the inside on my boat many time with a good 4' draft and really no problems. it's all well marked and a pleasant trip.
I took a 54 hatt down last year, the winds were strong resulting in water being pushed out of florida bay, it was fine. kept slow (hull speed), churned some sand behind the boat in a couple of spots but never touched.
The only shallow spots are at the eastern entrance to Dusenbverry Creek, in KL, about 5.5' MLW, and a sport on a north side of KL, exiting the last cut before the run to Pigeon creek, again 5.5 MLW.
There are many nice spots to anchor out.. in biscayne bay, Eliott Key and Boca Chita are must stop at… you can take 5' into boca chita, it's about 5.5 between the final set of buoys near the island., again that's MLW, you can play the tide for safety.
Further down, you can anchor north of Pigeon key, plenty of water there, near Butternut keys.
From there, go outside at Snake Creek, you can grab a mooring at Indian Key.
Marathon is ok, they have moorings now, but I prefer anchoring on the other side of hte 7 miles bridge, by Bahia Honda, either between the bridges by the park, or a couple miles north behind the keys on the east side of big spanish channel. New Found Harbor a few miles south is also a protected anchorage.
Pascal
I copied the question below from the Net's "Ask Your Neighbor" page. Thought Captain Clayton might find more of an audience here. Please send any response to his question to CruisingWriter@CruisersNet.net or click the "Contribue Cruising News" link found near the top, center of this, and most Net pages.
Subject: inside ICW vs. Hawks Channel 5.4' draft
Cruising News: I am planning a trip from key west up the keys for a week at end of Feb. and staying at various marinas along the way. My boat draws 5.0' to 5.4' depending on fuel, etc. it appears there are sections of the inland ICW that are too shallow, but are there any section along the way I could use, or should I stay outside the entire way?
Also, i am planning on making it to Duck Key, possibly Islamorada and stayinng at Marathon Marina, Hawks Cay and Holiday Isle or Caloosa Cove, any suggestions on other marinas we could visit instead that can handle the draft?
Thanks
Clayton
I copied Captain Sam’s question below from the Net’s “Ask Your Neighbor” page. I thought he might get a quicker answer if I put his text here as well.
Subject: Entering Boot Dey Harbor with 6′ draft Cruising News:
I have been told that Boot Key Harbor can be entered through Sister Creek at high tide with 6′ draft. (mast is too high for main channel passage under 65′ power cable clearance) Has anyone had that experience with 6′ draft?
Sam
Catalina 50
Perusing your website saw the question about Sister’s Creek with a 6′ draft. I draw 5’8 and would not dare try to navigate Sister’s Creek even at high tide. You COULD but I wouldn’t recommend it unless with the benefit of an unusually super lunar tide.
Sam didn’t say what his mast height is, but this may be of help: What a number of sailors do to remedy the problem of the often drooping communications line (not a power line) is to have someone
up the mast who can push it up out of the way as your vessel passes beneath it. It’s worked for dozens of taller masts over the years. We have very large
schooners that come in here for the Boy Scout trips… tall masts.
I’d also suggest he call the bridgetender, particularly “Lee of s/v Mariah,” who is forever gracious and quite knowledgeable. He would know the mast heights that have used the method I mention successfully.
Hugs,
Charmaine
Aboard s/v September Sea
Marathon does not have any regulation regarding leaving your boat. I am currently on a mooring ball in Boot Key Harbor and the marina staff is doing everything possible to make everyone feel welcome. There was a proposal last fall about leaving your boat but it was quickly dropped and there is no discussion about a new ordinance.
Captain Harv
S/V Camelot
Hi Claiborne,
We were just in marathon for a weekend jaunt, they have really cleaned up the mooring field, alot! Saw very few “junker” boats,, even in the anchoring area.
Happy new year!
See you on the Waterways!
Capt. Sterling
Hey there,
There never was anything on the table here in Boot Key Habor that proposed to make it a crime to simply leave your boat. The confusion is that there are two different entities making revisions on separate matters: 1) the City of Marathon, and 2) the FWC.
The FWC revisions are to make it easier for municipalities to prevent and control the problem of derelict boats. Any city or municipality can choose to enforce those prohibitions (if and when passed) or decline and/or set up their own set of rules to use.
All the powers that be in Marathon do not want to prohibit anchoring inside Boot Key Harbor. They have stressed this time and again that liveaboards are not in threat of losing their right to anchor here. They have made that CRYSTAL CLEAR in every way.
What they do want to control is the problem with boats left unattended and literally abandoned. This Harbor had plenty of those years ago and I’ve watched those pests be towed off, put in the queue, and then destroyed. What a breath of fresh air that has been!
To keep that problem from occuring again, the City Marina wants boaters to let them know IN WRITING when they are leaving their boats for longer than x” period of time (quite reasonable) and who to contact in case of emergency. That has previously been an unwritten courtesy that any sensible boater has done in the past without urging.
One must admit that it does make it pretty apparent who is aboard and who is not. The Harbor was never intended to be wet storage for absentee owners who come here very eight
months. There have been owners who rent boats and are never here and then abandon them when they end up in the mangroves after a big blow. It’s how the icky stuff gets started.
Too, boats that do not navigate do not have to register with the State of Florida. Makes no sense to me. That is exactly the true origin of the derelict boat problem. Anyone can tow whatever in here and plunk it down anchored to an engine block and leave to never return. There is no way of bringing that owner to court for costs incurred due to his vessel because there is no registration to track. That’s LEGAL. Unreal.
The derelict boat problem for Boot Key Harbor is not even really inside the Harbor at all (at least not as of today). The problem lies in the specific area immediately west of the bascule bridge.
So the bad press Marathon has been getting is all for naught. There is no truth to it at all. You will not find more compassionate and caring advocates for boaters, liveaboards, and full-time cruisers than those in the employ of the City of Marathon Marina and Boot Key Harbor.
Hope this clears up the matter for ya.
Big Hugs,
Charmaine Smith Ladd
Aboard s/v September Sea
I certainly hope the info in Captain Ned’s note below does not preclude anchoring adjacent to Christmas Tree Island. This is indeed one of the few good places to anchor in Key West. Of course, I’m sure the large, city sponsored mooring field east of Fleming Key is still in full operation.
Subject: No Anchoring Flemming Key , Key West
Cruising News: The Navy is not allowing anchoring within 400 yards of Fleming Key. This was one of the few spots to anchor at Key West.
Ned Young
SV Dreamweaver
I copied the question and answer below from the Net's "Ask Your Neighbor" page. I suspect it will find a wider audience here.
By the way, this string originally appeared on the MTOA List-serve.
Any pointers, advice, warnings, based on the vast experience of the group, about Dry Tortugas. Place to anchor, etc. We have enough supplies (and space for garbage) to survive without replenishments for some time. Would like to visit, because it's there.
Thanks,
Raoul
All seven islands are a national park. You can anchor with ample holding and depth at the fort. Don't want anything to do with it in bad wx. Have fun
More information google US National parks. go to Florida, and click on the tortugas…there are overhead pictures of all of the islands, channels and anchorages. Along with what areas are restricted etc…
Carl Hibbard
Richard and I have been there four times and it is one of our favorite places. There is an anchorage area with very good holding. When you check in with the Park Rangers inquire about the landing pattern of the twin engine plane that brings out tourists from Key West. The fort is fabulous and very interesting. The snorkling and diving is incredible. There is a reef on the back side of Loggerhead Key, it has the light house on it, that is a great snorkling area. If memory serves it is shaped like Africa! We took soda and beer in cans so we could crush them and did not use any paper products like plates or cups. Really cuts down on the garbage situation. Also, make sure your overboard sewage discharge is closed and locked. Best park is NO BUGS!!! There is a bird sanctuary there that takes care of that. Also, commercial boats anchor there and for a six pack you can get some fresh fish or lobster (when in season). It is also a jumping off place for folks headed to Mexico, South and Central America. Met some great people on their way back. Have fun!!
Richard and Judy Klawe
Raoul,
As others have said, it is a GREAT place to visit. As in don't miss it.
I am amazed at the vast majority of visitors ( boaters) to Fla who never go there and very few on the Great Circle Cruise.
You do not need a permit to visit the Fort area. The notices for a permit that you will see apply to the out lying areas
During out stay two boat loads of Cubans made it to the island. We got some pictures of their homemade boat, 16 in a very small boat. Two groups in one nt, the weather was bad which enabled them to sneak in. The other grp brt in by a smuggler.
Make sure that your holding tank is empty before you set out as there as there are no services at all.
CCC
Claiborne:
You might want to kick in just go to US national parks on your computer. Click Florida click the island of Tortuga and you have all of the information available, where, permits, fees etc.
Color pictures of the entire area, and all the buoys shown, anchorages etc.
Carl Hibbard
There are some good anchorages a few hundred yards ESE of the fort with easy access to the docks and land. Be alert for the Barracudas that hang out near the anchorages.
John Harris
Below, you will find a very interesting and informative discussion, which I copied from the Trawlers and Trawlering list, concerning the relative attributes of cruising the Florida Keys by way of the Inside/ICW route, vs Hawk Channel. There are many good points to consider.
I'm planning a Christmas trip from the Miami area down the Keys probably to Boot Key and back; I have only previously run the Hawk Channel route. Can any listees provide some guidance on depth issues in ICW along this route, and mention any areas less than 5' ( I draw 4' with twins) so a bit of a margin is nice. Does the Ceasar Creek route provide 5' on the bay side in and out? What tide range can be expected? If a strong norther sets in, how does that effect the water levels? FYI, I need 19' air draft for any bridges. Appreciate any advise on list or direct.
Tom
Tom,
We were based out of the Keys for 10 years. I would suggest you use the Hawk Channel route since there are no advantages to the Bayside route of the ICW and even with 4 foot draft you are probably going to run aground and this could be on coral and not just sand. December as with most winter months will give you the strong winds from the north, another reason to use Oceanside. The tides are normally 2 to 3 feet but winds and celestial influences can not be overlooked. Hawks channel has plenty of water and not much to worry about and can even be sailed at night if you know the area.
Chuck
I disagree, i think the bay side as a lot to offer and with 4' draft you will have plenty of water to enjoy the many anchorages, remote spots and the sheltered water of Florida Bay.
I've done the route many times with my 4' draft hatt., the ICW is very well marked and foolproof. no way to run aground there! It's really mostly 6' deep except a couple of 5'+ spots north of Key Largo. one at the entrance to Dusenberry Creek, another one of R58 off Rock Harbor, and another one just east of Cross Bank, but again, all over 5'. Earlier this year, I took a larger boat down with a 5' draft and it was a little closer, we churned the bottom a few times but never touched.
The only reason I'd consider taking Hawk Channel is if you're running on plane as rolling wont' be an issue… if you're going to do it slow, enjoy the bay.
And while indeed northerly winds can lower the water a bit, the tides on the bay side are minimal, under 1'. 2 to 3' tides are outside, not inside.
Pascal
I have made the trip many times with 4 ft plus draft. It will get skinny, but, you can make it . It's just pretty scarry at first because you can see the bottom, and it get skinny down by islamorada. You will make it fine.
See you in Paradise!
Capt. Sterling
Skinwalker with its 4.5 foot draft and crew has traveled both sides of the Keys in the winter enough to far prefer the inside with its clear protective water and anchorages. We do watch our depths through the few coral cuts on the inside ICW route, but even those are usually, but not always non-events for some; yet we have never had a problem or run aground in the channel. I suggest your decision be developed on what you wish to experience. On the inside are wonderful blissful anchorages that provide access to the edge of the Everglades by dinghy or Tour, with hundreds of small Mangrove Islands, creeks and even a few Mangrove tunnels, all pregnant with wild life. There is also direct access, to a number of wonderfully funky, Keys, tiki bars with a fauna all there own. I could start naming them up and down the interior of the Keys, but they are so much more fun when one discovers them on their own. If you like exploring the water and its edges–you will like doing it from the inside of the Keys.
Bones
aka Wayne & Lynn Flatt
MV Skinwalker
Our thanks to Captain Rich for this very detailed look at the marina choices in Key West Bight. Looks right on the proverbial money to me!
Click Here To View the Florida Keys Cruisers’ Net Marina Directory Listing For Galleon Marina
Click Here To View the Florida Keys Cruisers’ Net Marina Directory Listing For A&B Marina
Click Here To View the Florida Keys Cruisers’ Net Marina Directory Listing For Conch Harbor Marina
Captain Pascal's posting below was actually in response to a question I had asked in my "Florida Keys Wish List" about whether others had found shallow water at the intersection of the Inside Route/ICW and Tavernier Creek. Pascal details some other skinny spots to watch out for!
It's also a little skinny (5' MLW) at the entrance to dusenberry, bet 40 and 41, and further down near 58, also 5' MLW). remember that in florida bay water level can be lower when windy.
Pascal
On 12/4/08, as part of a “Florida Keys Wish List,” I posed the following question:
14. Who has anchored in Sunset Cove, off Buttonwood Sound (near Statute Mile 1143)? Did you find yourself amidst a whole collection of fellow cruising craft? Did you find anywhere to land a dinghy ashore?
Responses follow:
Sunset Cove gets shallow near shore and if you don’t get close you get the wakes from the ICW
Pascal
Click Here To View the Florida Keys Cruisers’ Net Anchorage Directory Listing For Sunset Cove
On 12/4/08, as part of a “Florida Keys Wish List,” I posed the following question:
3. Has anyone anchored off Biscayne Bay’s Sands Key (near Statute Mile 1110)? What depths did you find? Would you recommend this anchorage to your fellow cruisers?
Responses follow:
You can anchor in 7 or 8′ of water on the north side of Sand Key, north of the sandbar off the cut. There is a little canal in the bend going to a pond, worth a trip with the dink.
The best anchorage in the area is still Eliott Key, though, I rarely anchor off sandkey. The water is clear, you can dinghy to the beach near the north.
There is a small marina halfway down, by the rangers building, small boats though (under 30). no services, but a boardwalk/trail crossing to the ocean side.
Pascal
On 12/4/08, as part of a “Florida Keys Wish List,” I posed the following question:
1. Has anyone tried to anchor off Soldier Key? Did you find the entrance channel unmarked and tricky?
Responses follow:
You can anchor on the bay to the west… i’ve never dare trying to get close!
Pascal
Click Here To View the Florida Keys Cruisers’ Net Anchorage Directory Listing For Soldier Key
On 12/4/08, as part of a "Florida Keys Wish List," I posed the following question:
50. Who has taken their own vessel to the Dry Tortugas, Garden Key and Fort Jefferson. Please describe your cruising experience. Would you recommend this passage to other cruisers? If so, what would be your minimum vessel size recommendations.
Responses follow:
Claiborne,
Enjoyed reading your wish list. I wish we had cruised the Keys more recently than the winter of 2004-5, so we could help answer some of your questions. The hurricanes of 2005 obviously changed a lot of things that we aren't aware of right now.
However, I doubt if the passage from Key West to Dry Tortugas has changed much, and we did that in our 35 foot trawler back in January 2005. We had a good weather window, and stayed anchored off the fort for 3 nights before returning to Key West (stopping at Marquesa Key both ways). The trip out was a piece of cake – relatively calm winds and seas. The return was a bit of a ride for the first 30 miles and we had to "tack" across 5-6 foot waves with a period of about 12 seconds, and reduce speed to around 5 knots or so until we got within the reefs which helped dampen the seas a bit. This was better than waiting another day when the forecast was for really rough weather!
We'd do it again in a heart beat. It is an idyllic place and unique from every perspective. The staff at Fort Jefferson is superbly friendly and helpful. Water wasn't much of a problem, although we did consciously conserve (washed dishes once a day, were careful when brushing teeth and washing, took showers on the day-cats, etc). When we returned after six days out, we had used less than 40 gallons of water.
I think one could make the trip in a smaller trawler (certainly a smaller sailboat) with a good weather window. You could always stay anchored at Fort Jefferson until a front passed (usually 3-4 days) if
you got caught. All the local fishermen come into the anchorage at night, and stay there during bad weather in relatively small boats.
The depth in the anchorage was about 20 feet, if I recall, so scope is important. Once set, our SuperMax held well, but there is some grass on the bottom that caused a problem for a couple of other boats that were there at the same time.
Bob McLeran and Judy Young
On 12/4/08, as part of a “Florida Keys Wish List,” I posed the following question:
48. The city of Key West maintains a huge mooring field north of Fleming Key, administered by the city marina on Garrison Bight. Any of you who have stayed in the Key West mooring field recently, please share your experience. Did you get your holding tanks pumped out regularly? Were you able to dinghy ashore at Garrison Bight? Key West Bight?
Responses follow:
The mooring field at Fleming Key is a great place except in a north or north east wind. You can take your dink around to either Key West Marina. There is a facility charge in addition to use the docks at the Key west Bight, but itʼs worth the price.
Bob & Toni Dorman
On 12/4/08,as part of a “Florida Keys Wish List,” I posed the following question:
44. The other anchor down spot you might select between Marathon and Key West is Saddlebunch Harbor. Can someone who has been here recently please give us your impressions of this anchorage?
Responses follow:
Saddlebunch Harbor is one of our favorites. Itʼs especially great if you enjoy watching F18s take off over your mast. Four or five boats fit in, the entrance channel is well marked, but itʼs best to have someone on the bow at the outer marker
Bob & Toni Dorman
Click Here To View the Florida Keys Cruisers’ Net Anchorage Directory Listing For Saddlebunch Harbor
On 12/4/08, as part of a “Florida Keys Wish List,” I posed the following quesiton:
10. Gilberts Marina is located on the western shores of Jewfish Creek. For many, this is their first stop in the Florida Keys. Who has docked here recently? What did you find? Was the adjacent restaurant operating, and did you eat there? How was the food?
Responses follow:
I docked at Gilberts about six weeks ago. $2/ft./night. Docks are rundown and restrooms are shared with bar patrons (enough said). Still a fun atmosphere.
Dick Bodner
Click Here To View the Florida Keys Cruisers’ Net Marina Directory Listing For Gilberts Marina
On 12/4/08, as part of a “Florida Keys Wish List,” I posed the following question:
11. Just across from Gilberts, on the opposite shore, cruisers will find Anchorage Resort and Yacht Club. Has anyone docked here recently? What was your experience.
Responses follow:
Hi,
I docked my 29 ft. Prairie at Anchorage Resort last month. There was plenty of space and the rate was $2.50/ft. Amenities are a swimming pool and a hot tub. One restroom for the entire marina but since there were few boats there it was not a problem. I found it clean.
The restaurant next door, Marley’s Seafood Grill is great! Order the CalaMarley appetizer (calamari). It’s just like you get on the Costa del Sol in Spain. Also their “Jalea” dinner is excellent and huge (one is enough for two hungry people) It has an assortment of fried (in a special batter) seafood, including calamari and dolphin and shrimp etc. and some fried yucca strips…… mouthwatering!
The draw bridge over Jewfish Creek has been removed so it’s a bit of a walk over the new elevated roadway to walk to Gilbert’s. Gilberts has a band on Sunday and Karaoke on Tuesday. A real, laid-back Keys atmosphere.
Dick Bodner
Prairie 29 Trawler, Private Island
Stayed at Anchorage last year around Early March. Were on their cement face dock by pool. Quiet. No complaints – nice people, seems like marina was a sideline – the guy helping us with lines was the hotel maintenance guy I believe. However, the restaurant right next store is fantastic – we had dinner there one night and lunch when passing by car. Marley’s is the name.
Capt. John Wild
Click Here To View the Florida Keys Cruisers’ Net Marina Directory Listing For
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