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    • Important – Proposed Marathon Regulations For Unoccupied Vessels

      Everyone should know up front that the proposed regulations (see below) concerning vessels left unoccupied on a mooring in Boot Key Harbor or at anchor in Marathon jurisdictional waters, is a complex issue, which has brought about some warm feelings, particulary on the part of local cruisers.
      I am going to take on a bit more of an editorial role in this discussion than usual, as I don't think it serves anyone's purpose to bandy about inflammatory language. So, I am going to excerpt portions of a letter written by Captain Marti Brown of Marathon, and mix this text with some of my own comments and those of my "Cruising the Florida Keys" co-author, Morgan Stinemetz.
      So, to begin. please peruse excerpts from Catain Marti's letter to the Marathon City Council below, which she forwarded to me:

      The intent of this proposed ordinance as I have learned by speaking with Richard Tanner at the City Marina is to provide the harbormaster with legal recourse to prevent wet storage boats from being left in the harbor. This ordinance came about as a result of the lack of contractual authority on the part of the City to manage those vessels that anchor on either the City bay bottom or the State Bay bottom that is leased by the City. Please note that the City Marina already has a contract and recourse for those of us that are living in the mooring field. While the intent of this ordinance appears sound, the wording and the implementation of this plan fall far short of common sense . . .
      Point One:
      “The registered owner of any vessel anchored or moored in the anchorage areas or mooring field must be present and available and is responsible to attend his/her vessel at all times.”
      This could be legally interpreted as; “It’s okay for you to liveaboard your boat but you just can’t get off your vessel.”
      Point Two:
      “No liveaboard vessel anchored in the anchorage areas or moored in the mooring field may be rented or leased to another party by its registered owner for the purpose of habitation.”
      . . . It penalizes and forbids charter vessels from anchoring in Boot Key Harbor or from using the mooring field. . . .
      Point Three:
      Here’s another interesting statement in 2008-27 ordinance . . .  “Should the owner of a live-aboard vessel utilizing the City of Marathon designated anchorage areas or mooring field wish to leave his or her vessel un-attended for any period of time greater than twenty four (24) hours, the owner must notify City marina staff in writing.”
      . . . I attended the Near Shore Waters Committee last Thursday. After hearing my and other law abiding liveaboards’ comments, they agreed to look into changing the wording of the ordinance.
      This is serious, folks. If you as the City Council approve an ordinance, it should be one that has been well thought out and presented with a great deal of thought about how it will affect all the citizens of Marathon.
      All of the voting boaters in Marathon are now watching to see what the next draft will look like.
      Respectfully submitted;
      Capt Marti Brown, RN, MSN

      Here are some thoughts from my "Cruising the Florida Keys" co-author, Morgan Stinemetz::

      Claiborne,
       Overall, I think that the proposed ordinance is over-reaching in its scope and that the people who drafted it were not thinking of the all the variables at hand.
      #1. If they changed the wording from "at all times" to "reasonable intervals" they would have a win-win option. If they need to define "reasonable intervals" then they could do that, but reasonable and unreasonable would often be defined by the vagaries of the weather. It's a sticky wicket.
      #2. I don't see a problem with this one. If the boat is up for charter then it needs to move out and move on for the duration of the charter. This point seems to be aimed at sublets only. I can't find fault with it. But it probably needs better definition.
      #3. This is probably just badly written. The owners of moored/anchored boats are not being required to notify marina authorities of their whereabouts, as the writer states. They are being asked to notify the marina authorities that they are not around. It may allow marina staff to more closely monitor the vessel as a favor to the owner.

      And, other thoughts from fellow cruisers:

      As is the case with most new boating ordinances, they punish the masses for the evils of a very few.  Last time we were in Boot Key Harbor we were quite impressed with how cleaned up it was.  Yes, there were still a very very few derelict boats but I just don't think you can reasonably expect to get rid of all of them.  I think the City does need  reasonably stated ordinances that give them the right to address this issue but if the regs are stated too strictly it gives all the non-boater, vigilantes a loaded gun!
      Mike & Harriet
      m/v Dual Dreams

      Subject: Proposed Marathon Regulations
      Message: It seems to me that Marathon, as well as many waterfront municipalities, are trying hard to address the issue of derelict boats…and that is a wonderful thing.  As a cruiser, I too, have concerns about those vessels left to rot in an anchorage.  Besides being a danger to other vessels, they are unsightly, cast a bad light on the rest of us who are conscientious about our impact on our surroundings and take up valuable anchorage space.  What worries me about Marathon's efforts, as well as those of others dealing with this and related issues, is that it seems that this type of language comes from committees which have NO boaters as members!!  WHAT'S UP WITH THAT?!  If rule-making bodies, especially those along the waterfront, are going to make rules impacting that waterfront, there should be representatives of the populations being affected present on the committee and involved in drafting the language.  This whole rule-making juggernaut is getting out of hand everywhere and not just in Florida.  If these ill-conceived rules are put into play, the economic impact will be felt rapidly…just ask the marina and marine service owners in the Ft. Myers area who were heavily impacted by the drought and low water in Lake Okeechobee.  They were desperate for business without the snowbirds coming through.  The same will happen around the state and it won't be pretty.  My husband and I are natives here and love cruising the state, but this is not a rosy future.
      Carolyn Frazier
      "Double Dragon"

      And, now, "Ta-Da" here are some of my own comments:
      I deeply suspect, without really knowing, that what has led the city of Marathon to consider such a set of regulations, are a very small minority of so-called "mariners" who leave their vessels unattended for weeks, or even months, at a time in Marathon waters (Boot Key Harbor in particular). Such an interval of abandonment can truly lead to all sorts of problems, not the least of which is what happens in really foul weather, or, perhaps, if a hose or thru-hull gives way. NOT a pretty picture.
      On the other hand, as reported by Captain Marti, the proposed regulations have a real disconnect from on-the-water reality. The wording was obviously ginned up by someone who does not seem to know that the bow is the pointy end of the boat.
      If the city of Marathon was using me as a consultant (which they are not – DARN), I would advise them that the goal of discouraging long term abandonment of vessels in their waters is a not unworthy consideration, BUT the wording of their proposal needs to be SERIOUSLY changed and modified so as not to discourage the 98% of all cruisers who would never even consider abandoning their boats in this fashion.
      Clearly, we want to hear as many other points of view on this subject as possible. PLEASE click the "Contribute Cruising News" link near the top, center of this, and most Cruisers' Net pages, or e-mail me at
      CruisingWriter@CruisersNet.net. I am looking foward to hearing from many of you!

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    • Sombrero Marina (Marathon)

      There is a problem with the posting below. The contributor does not identify whether he is speaking about Sombrero Marina and Dockside Lounge, or Sombrero Resort and Lighthouse Marina. Both are located in (or just off) Marathon’s Boot Key Harbor, with the latter facility lying farther to the east. I suspect this note concerns Sombrero Resort and Lighthouse Marina, but there is no knowing!

      We spent last winter in Marathon at Sombrero, It’s a nice place. We had friends that moved there boat from Sombrero to a mooring for a week, while they were gone home. They got in trouble with the marina for leaving their boat unattended. How will your batteries get charged, or are you willing to trust them for a month?

      Click Here For The Cruisers’ Net’s Florida Keys Marina Directory Listing For Sombrero Marina and Dockside Lounge

      Click Here For The Cruisers’ Net’s Florida Keys Marina Directory Listing For Sombrero Resort and Lighthouse Marina

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    • No Name Harbor Anchorage – Key Biscayne

      Captain Adam is really onto something when he recommends No Name Harbor (which he terms “No Name Bay”) below. This is a GREAT spot to drop the hook for a night or two.

      No Name Bay [Harbor] is another option for Key Biscayne — also pretty crowded on weekends. I prefer to pass up Key Biscayne and anchor off of Elliot Key. Wear plenty of repellent if you go ashore as the mosquitos are KILLER.
      Adam

      Click Here For The Cruisers’ Net’s Florida Keys Anchorage Directory Listing For No Name Harbor

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      1. SARA -  December 9, 2011 - 9:56 pm

        nO NAME HARBOR SUCKS now cause of a few local old large boats docking at the seawall the entire day even blcoking the ladder for us snow birds is charging $8.00 to tie to the seawall thank you miami river old boats for cause the park to enforce this and also pending $25.00 to moor in the middle of the harbor which sucks cause the bottom is mud and the anchors do not hold

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    • Staying Overnight at Boca Chita Key

      Boca Chita Key is found in Key Biscayne, off the Florida Keys Inside/ICW route. I have always found the entrance and dockside depths to be a little thin here, but if you can get there, as Captain Randy notes below, the dockage is cheap, and you can walk some serously lonely beaches (EXCEPT on weekends)!

      Boca Chita is another great stop. Its $20 per night, self-service pay to the National Park Service. Its a wonderful place to spend a day or two but DON”Tgo on the weekend.
      Regards,
      Randy Pickelmann
      MORNING STAR

      One note about Boca Chita — no pets allowed … AT ALL.
      No Name Bay [Harbor] is another option for Key Biscayne — also pretty crowded on weekends. I prefer to pass up Key Biscayne and anchor off of Elliot Key. Wear plenty of repellent if you go ashore as the mosquitos are KILLER.
      Adam

      Vist there often. Last night.
      Channel clearly market from ICW. Small marks but right where they are marked. Channel holds almost 6 feet at low tide. Less tide here than Miami, 14 miles to the north. Harbor nearly round, with board covered wall, lots of cleats. Only services are picnic tables and solar powered his and hers. State Park, fee on the honor system, Harbor holds 7 feet or better a MLW. As scenic as you get with a restored lighthouse. Plenty of room during the week. Very busy on weekend. Small island with trees and grass. Great place, very secure in a blow.
      “No TacT”
      David

      Click Here For The Cruisers’ Net’s Florida Keys Marina Directory Listing For Boca Chita Key Marina

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    • Key West City Marina on Garrison Bight

      I copied the comment below from the AGLCA mailing list. As far as I can remember, this is the first comment from a fellow cruiser about Key West’s Garrison Bight Marina that has appeared here on the Net.

      There are two municipal marinas operated by the city. One is out front by Galleons and the other is around the bight behind the mooring field. We stayed in the second one [Key West City Marina on Garrison Bight]. We stayed the last two winters in this marina. We really enjoyed it but you must be able to get under an 18′ bridge. There are no amenities but its a third the cost of the other marinas. Its well located if you have a bike. Everything is about 4 to 5 blocks away. You must get a spot now if you hope to get in.
      SecondStar97

      Click Here For The Cruisers’ Net’s Florida Keys Marina Directory Listing For Garrison Bight City Marina

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    • Marathon to Key West Marina And Anchoring Advice

      There’s some real meat in Captain Doug’s message below. If you plan to cruise from Marathon to Key West anytime within the next year, don’t miss these ideas.

      We stayed at The Galleon in Key West and loved it for 4 days (@ $3.75 per ft.) and then switched to a mooring ball in the Key West mooring field, for $15 per day. What a difference! You can dinghy from the mooring field to the downtown dinghy docks easily, so if you don’t mind mooring instead of marinas, it’s fine. The only problem is if you get a NW wind, which will make the mooring field roll a lot.
      On Marathon, we loved the Marathon Cay Club because we had a slip at the end of the dock where you can watch the sun go down into the Atlantic every evening from your aft deck. It’s the first marina in from the ocean on the channel to Boot Key Harbor.
      Between Marathon and Key West, anchor in Newfound Harbor. It’s huge and well protected from all waves. If you scuba, go to Looe Key Reef there. It is really nice, and there’s a dive boat that goes through Newfound Harbor to the reef that’ll pick you up and drop you off at your anchored boat. Or just go out to the gov’t. mooring balls on the reef (carefully) in your own boat.
      Doug

      Click Here For The Cruisers’ Net’s Florida Keys Marina Directory Listing For Galleon Marina

      Click Here For The Cruisers’ Net’s Florida Keys Anchorage Directory Listing For the Flemng Key West City Mooring Field

      Click Here For The Cruisers’ Net’s Florida Keys Marina Directory Listing For Marathon Cay Club

      Click Here For The Cruisers’ Net’s Florida Keys Anchorage Directory Listing For the Newfound Harbor Mid Anchorage

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    • Sombrero Marina and Dockside Lounge (Marathon)

      There are actually two facilities in Marthon’s Boot Key Harbor that use the moniker of “Sombrero.” The one which is the subject of the posting below lies east of unllighted daybeacon #5A, NOT on the canal flowing farther to the east.

      We stayed at Sombrero Marina and Dockside Lounge from Thanksgiving to Easter last winter. We found it to be a great place with easy access to many restaurants and two large grocery stores. The entertainment at Dockside was great. It is a two dollar bus ride to Key West. Most of the folks staying there were repeaters from previous years. We will definitely stay there again when do the Loop again.
      Jeanne and Jerry Cilibraise
      Morning Star


      Click Here For The Cruisers’ Net’s Florida Keys Marina Directory Listing For Sombrero Marina and Dockside Longe

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    • A&B Marina (Key West Bight)

      I’ve always liked A&B Marina in Key West Bight as well. As you enteri the Bight, A&B is the second marina occupying the southwestern side of the harbor!

      I would highly recommend A&B Marina in the Key West bight. It is minutes by foot from Duvall Street & Mallory Square. We stayed 2 weeks there and hated to leave. Get your reservations in early. Most of the docks are transient but they fill up. Others will advise you on Marathon
      Jim & Judy Howenstine
      The Silver Foxes
      Mainship 400


      Click Here For The Cruisers’ Net’s Florida Keys Marina Directory Listing For A&B Marina

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    • Key West Marina Discussion

      I borrowed the thread of messages below from the Net’s “Ask Your Neighbor” page, and some of these postings were, in turn, borrowed from the AGLCA list. Anyway, I thought there was sooooo much good info contained herein, on both Key West Marinas and restaurants, I would repost here

      Can anyone suggest a marina in Key West? We will be there for about 10 days over Christmas/New Years. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

      There are a number of marinas in Key West Bright (Old Town area) and if my memory is correct they are on a first come first served. The marina’s are required to have 80-90% of there slip available for visitors. There is no time limit on your stay, so they may be filled. The harbor master has moorings available by Fleming Key.
      Good luck its a great place to be.
      Bob Haigh

      This past winter, we spent 5 weeks at A&B Marina in Key West Bight. It was wonderful, the staff, the location, and the price (for Key West in season). Staying at the Fleming mooring field only gives you good weather, not Key West and all its treasures. Most marinas are not first come first served but reservations well in advance.
      Tom Conrad

      The only marina in Key West that I know of that is first come first serve is Conch Harbor marina and even they will take a reservation 3 months in advance. All the rest are reservation based and fill up fast in season. The end of October is Fantasy Fest and trying to find a marina right in KeyWest during that time will be a challenge.
      Duane Jenkins

      Absolutely Reservations Required..and don’t forget to eat at the AB Lobster House the food is to die for. And on a side note the VFW is a block away the cheapest drinking in Key West 2.00 mixed drinks and 1.00 beers. But beware
      the pool table is rigged.

      The Commodore right next to A&B Lobster House is another excellent place to eat. They also have a cigar & wine room that overlooks the harbor. Also, “Damn Good Food” is close by and they deliver right to your boat. They have some of the best food on Key West and reasonably priced to boot. And note, the VFW has moved. They are no longer walking distance from Old Town Key West. They are located on Roosevelt over by the Key West Yacht Club.
      Duane Jenkins

      Click Here For The Cruisers’ Net’s Florida Keys Marina Directory Listing For A&B Marina

      Click Here For The Cruisers’ Net’s Florida Keys Marina Directory Listing For Conch Harbor Marina

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