Peter Conway is inquiring about Hurricane Harbor on the southwestern shore of Key Biscayne. There is no charted channel into what appears to be a well-sheltered anchorage. If you have local knowledge of this harbor, let us hear from you.
What happened to the anchorage at Hurricane Harbor? Is it not still a permitted anchorage?
Peter Conway
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Iain’s report should assist a September discussion about the Pumpkin Key Anchorages, see /advice-sought-on-pumpkin-key-anchorages-card-sound-west-of-key-largo/.
Pumpkin Key is on the Inside Route almost due west of Key Largo.
DEC 24 2015 – Moored NW of Pumpkin to shelter from 17kts wind from SE. Initially well sheltered, but Wind swung during night to be direct from East and we dragged badly, about 400 yards before I realised at 3 am, even though we were only 150 yards from the island & I would have thought we would be better protected. Good in that I was blown into deeper water but from looking at the anchor flukes the bottom is sand/mud which does not hold well. The wind protection from Snapper is not great, there is enough open water for the wind to get up speed. However lovely location, with dolphins feeding at dusk & super quiet at night tho dawn brings some traffic from Angelfish Key.
Iain
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Galleon Marina will be the first marina that will come abeam to your starboard side as you enter Key West Bight. This facility has an excellent reputation, and it certainly lies right in the heart of Key West!
Stayed over Christmas . Helpful staff, patient at directing me to a berth between the riprap and the pontoons, which I didn’t think could be the way in as it was so narrow. Never did get my iPad to hook up to the wifi, which the marina staff know is an issue for Apple products. They gave me a number for tech support, but of course on the afternoon of 24 December I never got a call back before leaving on the 27th. The Windows laptop did connect, but service was slow. Can’t believe their tech guys can’t figure it out.
Resort bar good for sundowners after a dip in the large pool and the hot tub.
Tom Syrett
Click Here To View the Cruisers’ Net’s Florida Keys Marina Directory Listing For Galleon Marina
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Since first posted in November, this essay by Dick Mills has elicited many lively pros and cons, all obviously with heart felt sentiment!
This essay on anchoring and the “apartment yacht” comes from our good friend and longtime cruiser, Dick Mills.
I read something in the news that made me sit up straight and think, “OMG it’s time to flip flop on the anchoring rights issue.”
The news item said that entrepreneurs in the Miami-Lauderdale area were buying up old boats, anchoring them, and then renting them out to all comers as a very affordable kind of apartment. Considering the high rents for apartments in those areas, those apartment yachts should be very popular.
Today, the apartment yacht story is merely an amusement. But then I thought back to the 2004/2005 hurricanes in Florida. Those storms left behind tens of thousands of damaged vessels that the insurance companies were in a hurry to declare totaled. Many could still float fine, and could be bought as salvage for pennies on the dollar.
I envision the years following the next big Florida hurricane when these apartment yachts by the thousands fill up all available spaces in all our favorite anchorages. (Where would they land their dinghies? The landlord may become wealthy enough to provide a launch service for his tenants.) If that happens, then I expect that it is we boaters who will be leading the charge for legal restrictions on anchoring. If we are smart, we’ll start now before the fact.
Of all the things I’ve read, one proposal seems to address the anchoring problem while making the least intrusion on cruisers. That is simply restricting the time a vessel can be anchored in one place to one week. Starting now, I am going to begin supporting that proposal.
Dick Mills
What’s missing here is a definition of the problem we’re trying to solve. This discussion is all over the place. If the problem is “derelict vessels,” the fix needs to address derelict vessels. If the problem is “apartment yachts,” the fix needs to address apartment yachts. If the problem is “live-aboard” boaters, the fix should address live-aboard boaters. If the problem is “property damage,” the fix needs to address property damage. If the problem is “bad behavior”, the fix needs to address bad behavior. (Of course, recognize that leads to the discussion of licensing). Although I’m not convinced it’s legally necessary, the Florida House of Representatives has, for the second year, proposed a “fix” targeted at derelict vessels (HB 7025). We should all probably support that; it targets “derelict vessels” and those “at-risk” of becoming derelict, and doesn’t affect the rights of cruisers at all. AUTHORITIES IN EVERY COMMUNITY, EVERYWHERE (even Sausalito), KNOW WHICH VESSELS ARE BECOMING DERELICT WITHIN THEIR JURISDICTION. That DOES NOT happen overnight. If those self-same authorities choose to allow those vessels to remain in-place and deteriorate, that’s on them. IT IS NOT AN ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO IMPOUND THE RIGHTS OF CRUISERS AND CRUISING BOATS. The rest of the issues being aggregated in this discussion are also already addressed by law. RESTRICTING THE NAVIGATION RIGHTS OF CRUISERS should not even be considered unless an actual problem can be assigned to that class of boater and/or boat use. Those who would abrogate cruiser’s rights do not speak for me.
You’re throwing the baby out with the bath water in your thought process. See the Florida Statue, Chapter 327.02(15) – Houseboat. They can also be defined as “Liveaboard Vessels” 327.02(19). Both may be regulated by the local municipalities. And, they are being used for commercial reasons. Those of us who actually cruise are not defined by those statutes. As soon as those who think things should fit the model they see, the worse it becomes for many of us that have FOUGHT HARD to KEEP our rights to the waterways. Free access to the waterways has nothing to do with how long a vessel used navigation happens to hole up in, or is anchored in one place.
The laws are pretty clear, they are not being implemented as defined. And many times on purpose, as in this case… to provoke the ire of those who are not informed.
Those vessels would be considered liveaboard vessels, and may be regulated by the local governments. By no means, are they non-liveaboard vessels engaged in navigation.
In all the years and times we have crossed the Gulf Stream, more than 35 times, we have never waited for weather more than a day or two if at all. Our tactic, when we hit southern Florida is to go at the first opportunity, and if it is not immediate, we keep going further south on the inside. The further south you go, the quicker the passage back north riding the GS current. I concur with a time limit, one week is plenty. The people who come and stay for longer than a week, particularly when you start talking a month or more, can make i timpossible for anyone else to anchor. If you cannot do what you have to do in a week, go to a marina. For the really tight places, like Lake Sylvia, a few days should do it. Hope never to see the congestion we saw last year, when crossing conditions we so ideal, and these boats obvpusly had no intention of moving. We had to anchor on the shortest of scopes ever and only did so because we knew there was zero wind forecasted.
One should always be weary of any government involvement in an activity. It start with their just repairing a tear in your jeans and before long they own the jeans then the jean factory. Remember when they passed the seat belt law in Florida and said that they would never be able to ticket you if that was your only violation but within a year they quietly changed it so that they can now ticket for that violation alone. We need to self regulate ourselves just like the diving industry did when they all agreed that you had to have a diving card to get air.
Why shouldn’t a cruiser want to spend a month or so, or more, in the Keys if they’re having a great time? Or, anywhere else for that matter? The problem is that the laws designed to protect the waterways for free navigation are not being enforced, and are not enforced mostly to force local political issues. The derelicts and vessels not fit for navigation, or not used for navigation, may be regulated or removed according to the law. And this is provided for in Florida Statue. And, vessels used for commerce, i.e., rental properties, may be regulated also.
A one week limit on Anchoring in Any one place to me seems short and short sighted, many times the weather can pose a safe navigation problem for a period much longer than one week. Also their are many areas where anchoring for much longer than one week should not be a problem for any one, no one around, no homes, just peace and quiet!! Leave us boaters alone!!
Many times the activities , and behaviors of the nearby landlubbers are so unbearable that even one night is difficult to bear!!
We have had to wait as long as three weeks for a crossing. Manybcross with other vessels, some with little experience. One week is verybshort” as there is no reason why those who want a quiet crossing should be limited by the property owners who have no real claim on the water distinct from the rest of us. Putting unrealistic limits on anchoring and passage is jist another brick in the wall.
I believe all boats should be fully insured before given registration. Then insurance company’s would have to police the boats for navigable and seaworthy. As it would be their responsibility if anything happens to a vessel. Peter
Sounds like moving the responsibility from the responsible owner. This is not good.
It should be ovious what were doing now is not working, by letting the insurance industry survey and insure boats before a boat could be registered would shift the responsibility from the responsible boat owner from the derelict , uninsured or negligence boat owner.
I agree with Dick Mills. Having cruised in Florida for two winters, I cannot think of anywhere I would want to stay longer than a week. It would seem that a time limitation would do much to resolve the problem of derelict vessels.
The main problem I see to cruising in Florida is how negative the government is to cruising vessels. Never mind the major impact they have on the economy of prime cruising destinations (Vero Beach, Stuart, Cocoa). If you look at Marathon and Boot Key Harbor, the 200 + vessels moored there must have a huge impact on the local economy.
Norman Mason
Norfolk, VA
Having travelled the AICW a number of times, I must say that there are quite beautiful places where wven three weeks at abchor there are barely enough, while equally beautiul places are o ly worth (in our humble opinion) only a day or two. Differ nt strokes for different folks. Why should any artificial limit be placed on navigation be the vast majority in order to appease the landowners frustration over a few idiots. The parallel to this would be to restrict d iving on freeways because a few drunk drivers cause havoc and misery. Please, let’s focus on the reasonable.
Your absolutely right. Where in cruising does it spell time limit? Too many think that maritime tradition should meet what they envision it to be. Keep the waterways clear and free for navigation. While in navigation, my anchor should be able to set wherever it is not impeding a waterway, or not spoiling a protected area. And, my vessel should be seaworthy and maintained.
Some vessels should not be on the water, nor should some boat drivers.
Time limit, absolutely. But one or two weeks? We’ve had two weeks of very high winds in S Florida with no good window to cross the gulf stream. 30 to 60 days will allow a captain to go ashore and do what they want to do and then wait out severe conditions that often hamper movement in the winter.
Well said, that anchorages discussed are for boats which are actively cruising. I doubt that the city fathers want the type of messes which have plagued Key West, Marathon, San Diego, Sausalito, and a number of other cities which had boats which were not able to move.
There is also the issue of short term rental such as we see invading residential neighborhoods, such as VBRO. There is also the issue of liability to the boat owners.
Totally disagree! Maritime rights have been established. Check your ground tackle if your vessel has a tendency drag. What if you and boating buddy, steam into an anchorage, and would like to take a field trip…. that’s the point of the voyage…. not to be stuck aboard at all times. What? You mean hiring a boat boy found at Joe’s Lounge to watch your vessel while you take in the country side? What is he going to do to stop the anchor from dragging, because you failed to set your tackle correctly? What if, on your cruise, you decide to set anchor and work for the remainder of the season? Why shouldn’t you? The whole and salient point, keep your vessel seaworthy, and be responsible for her. Non-liveaboard vessels have the right of anchorage, when not impeding another’s way.
This seems to explain the crux of the matter: “The whole and salient point, keep your vessel seaworthy…”
Many of the vessels we have seen would not qualify as seaworthy in the least; many are, in fact, partially submerged or even capsized. Who is responsible for keeping the waterway clear? Other boats appear to have no way to keep water from entering broken windows and hatches. Still others are blocking the navigable channels. Cars left in similar conditions along roadways are tagged and then towed at the owner’s expense.
And, Ocean Dancer, I’ll say the vessel’s owner should be responsible, or billed, to clear it away when she becomes derelict. That would mean, make sure your Bill of Sale, Documentation, or Title is clear when you buy, or sell, your boat.
Owners of “apartment yachts” would have to provide a pump-out boat. They would also have to be responsible for maintenance of plumbing and other systems with which landlords are generally unfamiliar. There would also be the cost of installing and maintaining moorings. By the time all the costs are understood, the concept may not prove viable. If this scheme progresses, the boating community should make sure regulators understand and enforce all applicable safety and sanitation issues in the permitting process. Then, hopefully, this balloon will lose its air.
I think that if restrictions are necessary, a time limit on anchoring is the best and fairest solution. One week seems short to me but two weeks seems pretty fair.
There needs to be a balance between our rights to anchor our boats and fleets of derelict boats clogging the waterways until thy break loose or sink in place.
The balance, Ron, is Liveaboard v Non-liveaboard as defined by law considerate of maritime tradition. What is a fair balance? Forbidding shot guns, but allowing single load .22 cal rifles? Renting out non-navigable vessels is flooding safe harbors with “Liveaboard” vessels. Yes…. those can be regulated by local governments, but “Non-liveaboard” may not. Check the law… Maritime Law and tradition is not solely based upon personal experience or opinion. It is a matter of the rights of navigation with centuries of precedence.
See Florida State Statutes 327 (19), and, 327 (15).
We arrived in Stuart on 9/22, int nding to be in the Keys by 10/5. Well, medical and upgrade issues intervened, and we will not leave Stuart until the New Year. If we pretend to live in a free society, then limitations must be minimal, and based on real harm, and not some rich guy’s sense of injured entitlement.
Perfectly said.
We boaters must do something or the powers that be will do it for us. If we do not clean up our act and help local anchorages police the derelicts, get the non operating “Apartments” into a legal status and cleaned up then all boaters will suffer.
Well not the 50 ft powerboater that passed me near Bahia Mar last year going over 40. That type won’t suffer because he does not cruise or liva board.
Sonny, you’re right. Many who should not be on the water have boats… and…. there are many boats that should not be on the water. It is so easy for some to offer opinion based on limited experience. Recently, a lot of cronyism is associated with government trying to keep the big campaign donations coming in. Those of us who are Florida Natives are getting pretty sick of Yankee-refugees trying to shape our state! Especially our waterways and maritime way of life!
OK, lets try to define what should be on the water means, and aside from safety and navigability, what should be done to thos who should not be on the water.
Rick Cass: The vessel: Seaworthy and maintained. And like wise, someone who knows channel markers, who know how to handle their vessel, and is able to assess, evaluate and set their ground tackle.
One more thing: Those who understand how not to put others in peril.
We hear so many good things about this group; they must be doing many things right! These are not the first words of praise we have received for Burkey Marine and will not be the last.
We had a great experience over the phone being walked through our problem by Big Diesel Greg Burkey. All was well and the trip was salvaged! Some people care and yes we recommend the Greg Burkey Marine Group. Several phone calls later at no charge and we were fixed!
Capt J
Winston Fowler sends a recommendation for a BBQ restaurant that he feels you cannot pass up. The winter months along the Waterway are perfect for good BBQ! Wrightsville Beach Marina is on the southeast side of the Waterway below the HWY 17 bridge in the heart of Wrightsville Beach.
Larry,
This is one GREAT place for cruisers to get a flavor of SOUTHERN BBQ, that is only 2.7 miles from Wrightsville Beach Marina. Awesome.
Winston
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With apologies to Shakespeare, Fred Braman wants to know the history of the lake’s name. Since very little is mentioned in Wikipedia, we’re hoping someone of you might have answer. For a recent report from Lake Sylvia, see /?p=134325.
Do you know the history of the name `Lake Sylvia,’ in Ft Lauderdale? Who was Sylvia?
Fred Braman
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Skipper Hugh is looking for 3 months storage in the Bahamas. If you are familiar with boat yards/marinas in the Bahamas, let us hear from you. In the meantime, we suggest that Hugh dig into Explorer Chartbooks, a SSECN Partner, for information on long term storage.
About to leave SW Florida for my first Bahamas trip on my 36′ monohull sailboat. Plan to sail through June or July 2016 and then find somewhere to leave the boat preferably on the hard.
Any suggestions as to somewhere to be hauled for about 3months?
Hugh
Sea Otter
Islander Freeport 36
What months are you interested in? We live in Freeport, off one of the finger channels along the Grand Lucaya Canal, about equidistant from the southern entrance and the bridge, 220′ dock, and 1 mooring. We live here, gated prioerty, with 2 BIG dogs. We have about 9′ depth at our dock. Our MagicJack # in the Bahamas 757 588-0375.
The best storage we have used in the Bahamas is Kevali House in hurricane hole #3 across the bay from Georgetown in the Exumas.
The owner, Bob, runs a tight ship and a close watch over his operation.
We have stored our boat there twice, once in his slips and once on a mooring. I found there is much less galvanic corrosion on the mooring.
Here’s the website http://www.kevallihouse.com/marina/
We left ours at Marsh Harbor Boatyard. Good service, reasonable prices, 24 hr security, and nice people . Its on the outskirts of Marsh Hbr but still close to services, provisioning etc. Its also close to a major airport so no water taxi required. You can check their website for prices.
Christ of the Abyss, N Grecian Rocks Key Largo by Tony Pozun
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Larry,
Thanks for your help. This is a pristine spot in a posh neighborhood on Key Biscayne. I have anchored there a number of times in the past and never a problem. There was a few issues with a particular homeowner who harassed some boats for anchoring off his house. This was a couple of years ago and that may have scared others from going in there. I always anchored in the middle to be as far from land as I could and never had a problem. It used to be shown in guidebooks and on your net site as an anchorage, but now I don’t see it listed. I recently completed my 46th ICW trip from Massachusetts and try to make sure that I only use allowed anchorages. Any clarification would be most helpful.
Thanks again.
Peter Conway
Pemisu