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  • Complete Text of the NC Law Regarding Pumpout Log Requirements Now Available On the Cruisers’ Net

    As many of you have already heard, the state of North Carolina has changed its laws concerning MSD (Marine Sanitation Devices) regulations. Among other provisions, there is a rule that cruisers must keep a pump-out log, and portions of the NC coastline have been declared “No Discharge” zones. There has already been a host of postings on the Net concerning these changes, but now, we can provide you with the text of the entire law in question. Click on the link below to check out the statute.

    Click Here To View the Entire Text of the New NC MSD Law

    Click Here To View An Earlier Net Posting on this Subject, Entitled, “Important Background Information on the new NC Pumpout Log Requirement”

    Click Here To View An Earlier Net Posting on this Subject, Entitled, “New Law: Pumpout Log to be required in NC And No-Discharge Zones Created”

  • Savannah City Dock Is Open (Downtown Savannah – Savannah River)

    The report below, which originally appeared on the MTOA List-Serve, was in response to earlier reports here on the Cruisers’ Net and other nautical lists, which reported the Savannah City Docks were going to be closed for some time to come on Mondays through Wednesdays for maintenance work. Then, we saw reports that these closures were a thing of the past, so I removed the earlier posting here on the Net. From what Captain Feller says below, sounds like you’d better call ahead to make sure. Follow the link below for a telephone number.
    Also, you could always moor at the River Street Market Place Dock, just a tad farther downstream. This facility is also within easy walking distance of Savannah’s wonderful historic district, and its many, many dining attractions.

    The phone said it would be closed Mon-Wed, we got here today (Thu) and the worker said it was CLOSED! But not to worry, they got what they needed done and opened the docks this evening….there will b work being done in the next couple of weeks so b sure to call ahead…..ps we found out if u pull into the hyatt dock, u can stay for up to 4 hrs if u buy something in there lounge….cokes count….fyi.
    Bill Feller
    Knot Tide Down

    Click Here To View the Cruisers’ Net’s Georgia Marina Directory Listing For the Savannah City Docks

    Click Here To View the Cruisers’ Net’s Georgia Marina Directory Listing For River Street Market Place Dock

  • Important Background Information on the new NC Pumpout Log Requirement

    Thanks to Richard Tobacco, this message sheds some light on the reasons this new law might have been enacted. Portions of the new law can be found in the earlier post on this issue. See New Law: Pumpout Log to be required in NC And No-Discharge Zones Created, dated May 5. (http://www.CruisersNet.net/new-law-pumpout-log-to-be-required-in-nc)

    Boaters, some of you may be unaware that the NC General Assembly passed a law that gos into effect July 1st.
    Why was this law written? In New Hanover, especially in Banks Channel, there were live-a-boards and weekend party boats that had been emptying their holding tanks at night. The law was written to insure ‘certain’ marinas police this (already) illegal act and a New Hanover ‘pilot program’ went into effect January 1st. [Statements have been made that this pilot program will not expand beyond New Hanover (intent of the word ‘certain’), however the law reads differently.] The law states that all boaters are required to keep a log of their pump-outs indicating when and where you were pumped out.
    a. Can the typical boater be required to produce this log? Yes
    b. Is it likely a non-live-a-board will be asked to produce this log? (Insert your own opinion here.)
    c. Not keeping this log is punishable as a Class 3 misdemeanor. No civil penalty shall be assessed for a violation.
    Captain Richard Tobacco

    We stop and spend money in NC each year while cruising North and South.
    Not anymore!
    Our purchasing of diesel for our 72′ yacht, restaurants, parts, dive shops, golf, rental cars, and marinas will no longer be income for NC.
    The surrounding States didn’t make illegal what the Coast Guard states as a legal system.
    We did the right thing and purchased a Type 2 waste treatment system which cost a lot of money.
    Now another political system run by idiots decided that a Coast Guard approved system can’t be used!
    Captain Sam Streater

    Liquid Waste Products
    A father and son are fishing from shore all morning while drinking coffee and sodas ……… wonder what happens?
    Four buddies go our for the day in a 20′ center console complete with cooler of beverages ………. wonder what happens?
    Family of six go swimming from a remote shoreline area all afternoon when it is 98 degrees and staying hydrated is necessary ……….. wonder what happens?
    A local community gets pounded by a few inches of rain that overwhelms their storm drains, the oil spotted streets get cleaned, the chemical laden cigarette butts disappear …….. wonder what happens?
    An older residence along the ICW has a septic system that has cracked and is in disrepair ………. wonder what happens?
    Millions of fish and other critters living in the waters eat to gain nourishment ……… wonder what happens?
    A 28′ sailboat just passing through with a 15 gallon holding tank and no potty log ………. we know what happens in NC.
    John

  • AICW/Fields Cut Depths Still A Problem

    When I read the message below from Captains Todd and Brenda Lanning, it occurred to me that I misspoke last week when, in an SSECN Alert, I stated that the only AICW problem stretch left in the two Carolinas was found at the intersection of northern Alligator River/AICW and Albemarle Sound (in North Carolina). As Todd and Brenda learned, depths along the southern portion of Fields Cut (just a short hop north of this passage’s intersection with the Savannah River), can still run much too shallow at low tide.
    So, you may be asking, why hasn’t this section of the Waterway enjoyed the “stimulus” dredging that has so enhanced the AICW along the rest of it’s run through both Carolinas. I asked the Army Corps of Engineers that very question not too long ago, and was told that their survey missed the shoaling on southern Fields Cut.
    Dredging was performed, however, on northern Fields Cut, where this passage leaves the Wright River. If you follow the links below, you will see we have separate “AICW Problems” listings for both these waters.
    So, do take care when cruising from Savannah River through the southern 1/3 of Fields Cut, and time your passage for mid to high tide if possible. Follow the links below for more specific advice.

    Greetings again,
    We just transited Fields Cut at low tide and registered water less than 4.5 feet. Fields Cut is located just after you cross the Savannah River going north. The shallow area is between the range marker at the south end of the cut and the cement pilings on the east shore, roughly 100 yards of shallow water.
    Be careful out there!
    Todd & Brenda Lanning
    Life’s2Short
    1985 40′ Oceania Trawler

    Click Here To View the Cruisers’ Net’s “AICW Problem Section” Listing For Southern Fields Cut

    Click Here To View the Cruisers’ Net’s “AICW Problem Section” Listing For the Intersection of Northern Fields Cut and the Wright River

  • Barefoot Transient Dock Discussion (Statute Mile 353.5) and Barefoot Resort

    Over the weekend of 5/8/10 to 5/9/10, there was a discussion on the GL (“Great Loop) mail list about the marina facility at Barefoot Landing Shopping Center in Myrtle Beach. Most of the messages below center around the status of the docks behind the shopping center (which is still very much operational, but no longer free), but it would be easy to understand how confusion could reign here in regards to the two similarly named facilities facing each other on opposite sides of the Pine Island Cut/AICW canal.
    The ocean side facility, which is the subject of this string, now goes under the name, “Barefoot Landing Transient Dock” (see link below). The mainland facility WAS “Barefoot Landing Resort Marina,” but it has gone belly up.
    I visited the former Barefoot Resort marina on 5/1/10. I found good news and bad news. On the plus side, the marina was still operating and accepting transients. As a matter of fact, while I was there, the spring AGLCA rendezvous was in full swing at this marina.
    However, I was also told that a “glitch” had developed in transferring the marina to new ownership, and the dockmaster was not sure when he might be able to begin offering fuel again, or when the new owners might take over.
    While the docks appeared to me to still be in acceptable condition, the formerly lush shoreside landscaping was beginning to look pretty ratty, and the adjacent restaurant was long closed.
    If anyone comes across any fresh information about “Barefoot Resort Marina,” PLEASE share this data with the cruising community by clicking the “Comment on This Posting/Marina/Anchorage/Bridge” link below!

    Good Afternoon,
    Can anyone tell me if the Barefoot Landing free dock, listed in Skipper Bob’s 2005 version, is still available for cruisers? I did not see it listed in the “Friendly Mooring Places” list that was put together earlier this year by Jim on “Twins”.
    Thanks in advance!
    Todd & Brenda Lanning
    Life’s2Short
    1985 40′ Oceania Trawler

    Ahoy Todd and Brenda:
    The “Barefoot Landing Free Dock” is now the “Barefoot Landing Dock.” No longer free, but upgraded a bit with power and water.
    Susie and I used to dock there twice a year going up and down the AICW, enjoy the “free” dock and spend usually a couple of hundred $s dining, buying tourist trinkets, etc. Now we continue on and anchor north or south of Myrtle Beach.
    Wade Ehlen
    New Bern NC

    Hello Captains Todd and Brenda:
    Yes, the dock at Barefoot Landing Shopping Center does still take transients. The dockmaster here has asked us to now call this facility the “Barefoot Landing Transient Dock.” You can get full details at:
    http://www.CruisersNet.net/8-barefoot-landing-dock
    Let me know if that works for you. Good luck and good cruising!
    Claiborne S. Young
    Salty Southeast Cruisers’ Net
    CruisingWriter@triad.rr.com
    http://www.CruisersNet.net

    According to the above reference, it’s alive but it is still not free again. Instead there is a $1.50/ft per night charge or, per cruiser’s comment, $5 charge to stop during the day for a few hours.
    A link was provided to the Barefoot Dock, www.bflmarina.net. But it was broke for me. Perhaps someone else will have better luck.
    Jim
    (Oh if you want a free dock with easy access to town in the MB neighborhood, take the Waccamaw upriver to Conway, SC. It is a beautiful cruise.)

    Subject: Barefoot Landing, Myrtle Beach mile 354
    Cruising News: Hey everyone, we just wanted to post about a Great new place that just opened here, called the Flying Fish, public Market and Grill, We think other cruisers stopping at barefoot will appreciate it. They have and awesome seafood market and limited veggies and fruit, with great prices, not to mention some of the Best Happy Hour specials we have seen, Not only do they have house wines and house liquors for 3 bucks each during there 4-8 pm happy hour,(also beer 2.50) they also have lots of great appetizers for 5 bucks each, and they are big portions, for example 10 huge jumbo peel and eat shrimp steamed in nut brown ale with market seasoning, 12 oysters served raw with lemon and cocktail, Southern fried chicken tenders served with choice of dipping sauce,(huge order) , Sweet Potato fries topped with crumbles of blue cheese and blue cheese sauce diced tomatoes and red onions, Plus many more to choose from, Buffalo Shrimp, Fried Blue Crab Fingers, Crispy Calamari, Spinach and Artichoke Dip, California rolls, Spicy Tuna, all of these during Happy Hour in the Bar seating area for 5 bucks, and Yes they have some tables in that area as well. We Loved it, all great food, only problem, we couldn\’t eat dinner and had leftovers from the appetizers. Please stop by and enjoy, we felt it was worth writing up for others headed North to enjoy! We sure did!
    Captain Clay aboard Gemini

    Hey….The Barefoot Landing Dock is still a nice place to lay over for a day or two even though it is not free anymore. Nice prople are running it. Try helping them out a little. Everything in life cannot be FREE!!!
    Captain Raymond W. Smith aboard “Fire Dog”

  • Historic Traffic on the Okeechobee Waterway

    There have certainly been times when I’ve felt as if the Okeechobee was a “secret Waterway.” However, Captain Vince must have thought he had wandered into a time warp, when he witnessed the vessels pictured below!

    Claiborne:
    Upon exiting the Ortona Lock (westbound) on the Okeechobee WW on April 13,2010, the Nina (65’) and Pinta (85’) passed us entering the lock. It certainly took us by surprise when we got our first glance at them and almost felt like we were in a time warp. They had departed Ft. Myers that morning headed to the east coast to continue their tour. Check it out on www.thenina.com.
    The photos were taken with a Canon Power Shot A570.
    The first photo is the Nina and the second photo is the Pinta.
    Vince Burkhardt
    M/V Sharon Ann

  • New Law: Pumpout Log to be required in NC And No-Discharge Zones Created

    Please note that this is a change from existing NC law and entails a new responsibility for cruisers.

    Subject: Pumpout Log
    I learned last night that the NC Legislature has passed a bill requiring recreational vessel owners to keep a log of pumpouts starting on July 1, 2010.
    Per NC House Bill 1378: “Vessel owner and operator required to keep log of pumpout dates. (a) Any owner or operator of a vessel that has a marine sanitation device shall maintain a record of the date of each pumpout of the marine sanitation device and the location of the pumpout facility. Each record shall be maintained for a period of one year from the date of the pumpout.” Also, “Section 1 of this act becomes effective July 1, 2010. Fines up to $10,000 may be assessed, and the regulation will be enforced by NC Wildlife officers, USCG and any other law officers with jurisdiction.”
    Captain Wade Ehlen

    Here’s a follow-up message from Captains Bob McLeran and Judy Young (Judy must be a long-lost cousin). As you will see, looks like portions of the NC coastline are about to become no-discharge zones.

    Some areas of North Carolina will be “no discharge” zones commencing July 1st, and requiring all vessels to keep a log of pump outs and requires the owner to secure any overboard discharge valve.
    Here’s a link to the bill:

    http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/Sessions/2009/Bills/House/PDF/H1378v6.pdf

    Beyond the legal issues of notice (there are aspects of the bill defining “no discharge” areas that are totally confused and confusing) the one thing that caught my eye is the reference to 33 CFR in this phrase:
    “The owner or operator of a vessel with a marine sanitation device shall keep the overboard waste discharge valves of the device secure by acceptable methods set forth under 33 C.F.R. ‘ 159.7(b) so as to prevent the discharge of treated or untreated sewage, except when lawfully discharging sewage at a pumpout facility.”
    —–
    33 CFR 159.7(b) states “(3) Using a non-releasable wire-tie to hold the seacock in the closed position . . .” It doesn’t further define “wire-tie.”
    Question for those who know: Does “wire-tie” as used in 33 CFR 159.7(b) include non-releasable plastic (wire) ties? This question comes up every time we get a USCGA courtesy inspection or have the potty-patrol aboard for a get-together.
    Captains Bob McLeran and Judy Young

    Responses from the cruising community on this issue posted below. As you will see, many cruisers have questions. If anyone has answers, PLEASE chime in by clicking the “Comment on This Posting/Marina/Anchorage/Bridge” link below, and share your information.

    What about boats transiting N.C.?
    Captain Joan Clark

    Don’t you just love it! We have to keep the head discharge valves locked, maintain a Log of pump outs and face a Ten Thousand Dollar Fine if caught in violation of the law. I know if I pump my daily poop over the side I am going to destroy the inshore waters of my favorite cruising places….one dump at a time. I sit on my friends boat at Lake Norman at the NC Hwy 150 Bridge….and watch the Gusher of fecal matter being pumped into the lake by the County at a rate of Tens of Thousands of Gallons a day….and that is not harmful to the water quality of the Lake. My what a criminal I feel like when I merely piddle over the side of the boat now and then!
    Captain Ralph Chappell

    Submitted on 2010/05/06 at 5:43pm
    I am all for this law. but it needs to be writen by someone who knows what they are doing. This group of law makers never had a boat otherwise they would not write a a law that doesn’t make sense. open your seacock to pump out your tank above ground into the proper facility????????
    Captain Cliff Kisby

    I appreciate the notice and the free pumpout log. Do you have any idea where the no-discharge zones will be in NC ?? Also, please let us know as soon as you are made aware, if plastic ties will be okay to use…. Thanks,
    Captain Randy Umstead

    A nylon (plastic?) wire tie has come into general use as more than a wire tie, but in spite of being used as handcuffs, and ankle restraints, it is commonly referred as just a “wire tie”. Wire ties are not ties made of wire. Think about it; would you want to bundle up your wires with a “wire” device that could short out the whole kit and kaboodle? Thus the plastic, or nylon, “wire” ties.
    Captain Dick Giddings

    As I read the CG regs you can close your valve and remove the handle Idid this as my handle had no way to.put a tie on and secure.Any thoights
    Captain Ed Helms, SV Johnnie Cake

    The way I read this, it will initially only apply to New Hanover County (Wilmington, Wrighstville Beach, etc.), but I can see other jurisdictions jumping on the bandwagon, hopefully with proper notice. No mention is made of Type I (Lectra-San) devices. They are OK by USCG standards. Is the state pre-empting those? At any rate I would keep a log, especially if I am passing through the Wrightsville Beach area.
    Capt. Richard Beesley

    One more loss of freedom. Now the government will check our sewerage pump out while they do nothing to assure that the freighters, passenger ships, commercial boats don’t put poop in the water or bring in any nasty crap on their hulls.
    When are we going to demand an end to this stupid ecological micromanagement and deal with the serious pollution that is pouring from city street runoffs to industrial dumping?
    This should not be accepted by the citizens of this free society.
    Captain G.F.Weld

    We are usually in the ocean 5-7 miles out. When we discharge that far out do we need to make note of our location and put it in the log so that when we come in to NC we will be safe from fines?
    Captain Pat Washer

    So far from what I have read is that a vessel owner must maintain a log but does not have to retain any receipts from the pumpout locations other than to write down the costs of the pumpouts. There is no mention as to whether the pumpout facility must maintain a log that coincides with the vessels it has pumped out. If this is the case then all that is needed to comply with the law is to just make up dates and locations and write them in the log which will make the water cops happy when they look at your log. This sounds just like another stupid law enacted by the idiots who were elected by the sheep of this nation. The only way to stop all of this nonsense is to not vote for any incumbent at election time regardless of their party.
    Captain John Adams

    How do they gauge when you require a pump. Example….Last pump out was just before I entered NC Waters and just as i am leaving NC waters they stop me, i show them my log and they question me why i show no pump outs in NC…..Now what????
    Captain Raymond W. Smith aboard “Fire Dog IV”

    I know this is probably a silly question, but given the sometimes nitpicking ways of inspectors, I have to ask. What about porta potties? Most marinas just tell us to empty it into their toilet facility. Must we keep a log also, or is the law specific to those with built in heads and holding tanks?
    Captain Joe Babb

    FYI, straight from the CFR.
    Y valve lockouts
    (b) When operating a vessel on a body of water where the discharge of treated or untreated sewage is prohibited by the Environmental Protection Agency under 40 CFR 140.3 or 140.4, the operator must secure each Type I or Type II device in a manner which prevents discharge of treated or untreated sewage. Acceptable methods of securing the device include–
    (1) Closing the seacock and removing the handle;
    (2) Padlocking the seacock in the closed position;
    (3) Using a non-releasable wire-tie to hold the seacock in the closed position; or
    (4) Locking the door to the space enclosing the toilets with a padlock or door handle key lock.
    (c) When operating a vessel on a body of water where the discharge of untreated sewage is prohibited by the Environmental Protection Agency under 40 CFR 140.3, the operator must secure each Type III device in a manner which prevents discharge of sewage. Acceptable methods of securing the device include–
    (1) Closing each valve leading to an overboard discharge and removing the handle;
    (2) Padlocking each valve leading to an overboard discharge in the closed position; or
    (3) Using a non-releasable wire-tie to hold each valve leading to an overboard discharge in the closed position.
    [CGH 95-028, 62 FR 51194, Sept. 30, 1997] Captain Keith

    In answer to the question, “What about boats transiting NC?”, frankly, any “large vessel” in the coastal waters of NC is subject to this law. I think it would be prudent to have a log after July 1, this year, and if you happened to come from Mantanilla Shoals to Beaufort, enter in the log that you closed the “Y”-valve while still offshore, and record the date and time. So far, there is no requirement to keep receipts from pump-out stations, but they will think of that!
    Captain Dick Giddings

    Does this law apply to a portable toilet holding tank that could be dumped at home or in the ocean?
    Captain Mike Williams

    Unfortunately, in the eyes of this law, the Lectra-San is treated as any other “sanitation device”. The tree huggers who wrote this law don’t know there is a safe way to treat sewage before we discharge it. We need to get Peggy Hall working on this.
    Captain Dick Giddings

    FWIW, the NC statute doesn’t require a separate pump-out log for boats, only that pump-outs be logged. We do that anyway as a matter of course in the log – just like filling the water tanks or getting fuel. Not a big deal for a trawler-crawler.
    As far as I can see, of more concern for us is trying to figure out what areas are state “no discharge zones” because an application to the EPA is pending. How are we going to know? What if the EPA disapproves the application? I think this whole situation in NC is ripe for a lot of trouble and litigation over the next couple of years.
    Captains Bob McLeran and Judy Young

    Claiborne
    I may be wrong, but according to my reading of the statute, the pump-out log requirement only applies to boats located in waters designated as a no-discharge zone, not to boats elsewhere in NC.
    “77-131. Application of Article.
    The provisions of this Article apply only to the following:”
    (1) pertains to marinas
    (2) A vessel in coastal waters that are either designated as a no discharge zone or are included in a petition to the Environmental Protection Agency to be designated as a no discharge zone unless the
    petition has been denied by the Environmental Protection Agency.”
    Captain Al Rossiter Jr.
    Washington, NC

    So we’re cruising the ICW through NC; the last time we pumped out was somewhere in South Carolina but didn’t note it in the log. A little further up the “road” we cross into a NC NDZ and get stopped by
    the water cops and they ask to see our log. There’s no pump-out event noted in the log. Are we in violation of the statute because we’re currently in a NC NDZ and haven’t logged any pump out?
    If we keep our boat (more or less permanently) in an area of NC that is NOT a NDZ, then enter a NDZ, are we in violation of the law because we didn’t log the pump outs we had back in the “free” area?
    The point being, how is this going to be applied to boats transiting a NDZ when on the face of the statute it applies only to boats in a NDZ?
    Captains Bob McLeran and Judy Young

    I have a LectraSan. Do I have to keep an unused log? I took out the ‘Y’ and discharge only through the treatment tank. What about pre-1980 LectraSans in no-discharge zones? (Grandfathered)
    Captain Tom Murphy

    This “approach” was tried just last year in Canada. I believe it failed to pass the legislature. Guess somebody copied it in NC.
    Captain Stu Jackson

    All we have to do is keep a log of pump-outs. There is no requirement for a minimum number of pump-outs nor is there any mention of a minimum interval. You just have to keep a record. Once a year might be sufficient. If you show up in an area and don’t get a pump-out there, they will probably also see in your logbook that you’ve recently been in a discharge-OK zone. I believe that upon entering a no-discharge zone it might be prudent to make an actual entry in the book stating that upon entering the zone no pump-out was necessary.
    Captain Troy Scott

    About portable toilets, I found this:
    The term MSD includes any equipment for installation onboard a vessel which is designed to receive, retain, treat, or discharge sewage and any process which treats such sewage. It does not include “portable devices” which can be carried on and off the vessel. These regulations are effective now for new vessels, and 30 January 1980 for existing vessels.
    at http://www.dbw.ca.gov/Pubs/FedMSD/index.htm
    The article goes on to describe Type I,II, and III.
    Wonder what they do to you if you have no device at all? Should one keep a record of bowel movements???
    Captain Joe Babb

    I read with interest your notice about the new pumpout log requirements in NC. It made me wonder what I should do with regard to my composting head that does not have overboard valves and can’t be “pumped out.” Well, according to the letter of the NC law, a composting head like the AirHead would be considered a “portable toilet,” like a porta potti. Therefore, those of us with porta pottis or composting heads would be exempt. I suspect cedar (or plastic) buckets would also be considered portable toilets. Still, it might pay to print out and keep a copy of the legislation onboard your boat so you can point this out to any law enforcement that happens by. In my experience in many states, local law enforcement and marine patrols in general are not too accurate when it comes to the letter of the law. Here’s what the NC bill says:
    3) Marine sanitation device. – As defined in 33 U.S.C. § 1322. The term does not include ‘portable toilets’ as defined in this act.
    (4) Portable toilet. – A self-contained mobile toilet facility and holding tank for sewage.
    Captain John J. Kettlewell

    By far the largest polluters of our waterways are the municipalities and govt’s that try to run our lives. Need to increase employment? Build the infrastructure with state-of-the-art sewage treatment plants. For those bleeding heart liberal democrats, the most notable improvement in the waterways of the U.S. occurred with the Clean Water Act enacted under (hold your breath….) that scoundrel, President Nixon!!! I worked as an environmental engineer at the time and we saw more federal funding for cleaning the waterways with new sewage plants than ever before.
    Now to the subject of boaters polluting our waterways? You betcha, get off your lazy butt and be responsible…I’m an avid scuba diver and cruiser and I don’t want to be swimming in your crap! Use the pump outs and stop acting like your communing with nature…I see cruisers pushing back constantly about using facilities. I will agree that there are way too few pump out facilities…marinas have an obligation to seek out the grants and install them!
    Captain Durl Evans

    I suspect there will be some confusion around this issue for quite some time, particularly with regard to transient boats that are just passing through. I’m hoping the various policing agencies view this as an educational opportunity not as a way to raise funds through tickets and fines. There is so much that is open to interpretation. For example, as far as I can see there is basically just a requirement for a log, not how often or how much one must pump out. And, what about those of us who sail offshore from time to time and therefore take the opportunity to pump out where it is legal? Or, what if you decide to just lock up your tanks and use a porta potti or bucket when in NC? Theoretically, that is legal.

    This reminds me of a vagrancy law that was passed by our city council. Downtown merchants were complaining that teenagers were hanging out and scaring off customers. In reality, I think the teenagers were just doing what teens have done for eons–hanging out! In any case, they passed a law that groups of more than two people couldn’t loiter for more than so many minutes in one spot. At first it was used to chase teens away, but the kids quickly caught on and started reporting groups of other people to the police: three grandmothers sitting on a bench, people smoking outside of bars, people waiting for the bus. The police had to come and shoo everyone away, and the uproar quickly nixed the law. Just wait for the outcry when the police start climbing aboard people’s boats to check their potti logs!

    In any case, I suspect this is a law created by landlubbers with no idea about how things are on the water, and with the intention of stopping “all that pollution” that boaters create. When we all know in reality that every major study indicates that pollution from boats is usually unmeasureable.
    Oh well, I’m hoping the police quickly tire of potti patrol, as did the Coast Guard when they were doing it.
    Captain John J. Kettlewell, Editor of The Intracoastal Waterway Chartbook

    So as I have read this if I am cruising from the Northeast to Florida do I need to keep a log everytime I go or just in NC waters. Maybe we should just get enough provisions and bypass NC. These lawmakers really need to lookk at the bigger picture and stop bullying the little people that work hard for a living and want to enjoy their lives, and have to worry about taking a $10,000 dump. This country has much bigger problems than that.
    Captain Bob

    Submitted on 2010/05/14 at 11:02am
    One can praise the good intentions of the NC legislature. But should also be reminded about the evil results of the law of unintended consequences. Perhaps, the time may come when as part of their sport boaters adopt the challenge of using alternative passage routes via the ocean to completely avoid the NC territorial waters. The unintended consequence would be that our pocket books may end up stimulating South Carolina and Virginia to provide replacement restaurant, tourism support, and marinas facilities located close to their respective borders with NC.
    As another alternative, we boaters could explore the upgrading of our marine sanitation devices to the Incinolet type. Wouldn’t it be ironic, all these vessels with Incinolets carrying potty logs with no entries while NC and its marinas are left hanging with those then useless pump out stations?
    Let us not stop with just boats (unintended consequence). Let us join the NC legislature and now insist that to clean our waters, we should start first with the most potential serious offenders. Let us request the sewage treatment plants of coastal municipalities be required to start keeping logs of discharges, amounts, and pollutant concentrations. Then, we can find out where the pollution is coming from. Next, we apply a system of penalties that is proportional to the amount of pollution. We may find out that the penalty for one boat-one-discharge cannot exceed more than something like 15 cents if one does not want to bankrupt municipalities from the ensuing proportional penalty for their pollution.
    Captain Rodolfo Martinez

    Subject: Logs but no pumpouts
    I pumped out at Manteo today. The dockmaster told me that Manteo and perhaps Coinjack are the only functioning pumpouts in Eastern NC. He said, “They break down and since they can only charge $5 for pumpouts, it is not worth their while to repair them.” Apparently the state does nothing about it. Couple that with the new pumpout log law and the stiff fines for non-complying boaters. Multipy that by the countless thousands of stupid laws and regulations and you see why I’m so libertarian and anti-government.
    Captain Dick Mills

    Click to open a pdf version of the Pumpout Log

  • Uninvited Passenger

    Here’s a little story from Ted Jones, former editor and co-owner of the late, great and much lamented “Coastal Cruising” magazine. This tale signifies to me why we all cruise. Who else could have such an experience but cruisers, and Ted has written it so very well!

    As dusk settled over the ocean on April 29th a land bird suddenly flew into the companionway and landed on Malla’s head as she was working in the galley. Reflexively, she brushed it away, and it flew out over the ocean again only to return, determined to find a suitable perch before nightfall. Malla identified it as a swallow. It had most likely been blown out to sea by the strong westerly winds of the previous several days. Swallows, she said require a perch before dark where they can safely spend the night. Ted was not surprised, having been visited by land birds on several occasions. They rarely survive the experience, and there seems to be no way one can help. We have tried, but the end always seems to be the same despite good intentions. Our little swallow eventually found a roosting place on the extension cord used to connect Ted’s computer equipment when we are dockside.
    Both of us were mindful of our passenger throughout the tumultuous events of the wee hours of Friday morning and were concerned for its safety. Amazingly, it put up with the contents of the ice box counter crashing to the cabin sole at one point and the noise and vibrations of the engine sometime later. It clung to it’s tenuous perch despite the constant motion.
    An hour or so after sunrise, with a “thank you” chirp, our little bird suddenly took flight, out of the companionway, and with a quick orientation circle disappeared toward land, several miles away. We hope it made it to shore. We will never know, although we told it to say hello to Dorcas when it gets to Vermont.
    Cheers,
    Ted

    Ted’s story about the bird that took refuge reminded me of a similar incident around 1982. While wrapping up a dive trip on the wreck of the City of Richmond some 30 miles or so off the Georgetown entrance a sandpiper landed on the instrument panel…and refused to budge. We knew right away the poor critter must have lost it’s bearings and flew out to sea. About the time we approached the Pee Dee entrance it got reoriented and flew away to the beach. Sigh.
    Bill Norris
    (Nobody You Know) Hatteras 40DCMY

  • Cruisers Net Welcomes Aboard Larry Dorminy

    The Salty Southeast Cruisers Net would like to welcome aboard Larry Dorminy as our new regional editor for the North and South Carolina coasts.

    After more than thirty years of cruising the Chesapeake in a variety of sail and power vessels, Larry and his wife Dona Jean have retired from teaching, sold their house and moved aboard their Marine Trader 50, Amilado, as full-time cruisers. Larry is a licensed USCG Captain, MTOA Port Captain for Charleston, SC, member of the Charleston USPS, associate broker with Intracoastal Yacht Sales and proud to be a regional editor of SSECN. Having visited Charleston on each of their three times down and back in the Ditch from the Chesapeake to Florida, Larry and Dona Jean have chosen Charleston as their homeport and love it.
    Please join with us in welcoming Larry as the Salty Southeast’s first regional editor. You can communicate directly with Larry at NC-SCEditor@CruisersNet.net. Send him a “Welcome Aboard” note if you have the chance.

  • AICW/Little Mud River Near Grounding – Late April, 2010

    I shuddered a bit as I read Captain Litchield’s message below. It’s a good thing he was able to keep up his speed and “plow through.” The Little Mud River section of the Waterway is truly out in the middle of nowhere. I don’t even want to think what it would cost to get a tow here.
    And, once again, we see that Little Mud River is the #1 problem stretch of the Waterway, for the entire run between Norfolk, VA and Miami, FL. There is no magic bullet here. Time your passage for HIGH water! Good luck!

    On 4/23 we arrived at the southern entrance at 2 hours before MLW. Foolishly we decided to attempt a run through. We almost made it all the way to marker 190 when we began hitting soft mud. I revved up the engine to keep our speed from slowing and plowed through. I saw the depth meter reading 3.9’ but my wife says she saw it read 3.1’. Fortunately we had enough speed to “plow” through. As we popped out of the mud, the depth meter display suddenly jumped to 4.5’, 4.9’ and then slowly climbed to 7’. Whew!! We made it but I won’t do that again. BTW we draw 4.5′.
    Dik Litchield

    Click Here To View the Cruisers’ Net’s “AICW Problem Section” Listing For Little Mud River

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