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    • Shoaling Reported in St. Marys River, East of St. Marys, GA, May 13, 2014


      For cruisers wanting to make a side trip to visit historic St. Marys, GA, the St. Marys River departs the Waterway at statute mile 712. This reported shoaling is in the dogleg just a mile east of St. Marys docks. The charted shoal between markers #6 and #8 would suggest that favoring the east side of the channel would be best. For more on the St. Marys River, go to /?p=123715

      GEORGIA AND FLORIDA ‘“ CUMBERLAND SOUND ‘“ FERNANDINA HARBOR TO KINGS BAY – ST MARYS RIVER: Shoaling.
      There is excessive shoaling protruding approximately 15ft into the channel between St Marys DBN 6 (LLNR 6805 [30°42.9620N / 081°32.0850W, 30.716033 / -81.534750]) DBN 8 (LLNR 6810 [30°42.6191N / 081°32.0305W, 30.710318 / -81.533842]). The Coast Guard has re-established St Marys TEMP Buoy 6A in position 30-42-52-379N 081-32-00.613W (30°43.4983N / 081°32.0102W, 30.724972 / -81.533504) . Mariners are advised to exercise extreme caution while transiting the area. Chart 11503 LNM 19/14

      Click Here To Open A Chart View Window, Zoomed To A “Navigation Alert” Position at Shoaling Site

      Click Here To View the Georgia Cruisers’ Net Marina Directory Listing For Langs Marina

      Click Here To Open A Chart View Window, Zoomed To the Location of Langs Marina

      Click Here To View the Cruisers’ Net’s Georgia Anchorage Directory Listing For the St. Marys Waterfront Anchorage

      Click Here To Open A Chart View Window, Zoomed To St. Marys GA

      Comments from Cruisers (1)

      1. Jonathan Gorham -  September 3, 2014 - 2:20 pm

        Aha! I KNEW I was in the channel!
        Thanksgiving 2013 we were transiting that very section coming out of St. Mary’s and managed to nick the bottom (In a 26 foot outboard with a 2 foot draft no less) while holding a good line between those two markers.
        Hopefully the repositioning of the markers has fixed that, but as mentioned, there is plenty of water to give those markers a very wide berth.
        MV Top Cat
        Glacier Bay 2670

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    • Main Street Bridge Frustrations, St. Johns River, Jacksonville, FL

      Main Street Bridge – Click for Chartview

      Like the headaches related to the FEC RR bridge in downtown Jacksonville, the Main Street bridge will be less than accommodating as it undergoes reconstruction that requires advanced notice for an opening. See /?p=134950. To make matters worse, the dates and hours that require advanced notice change weekly. A phone call to the tender, 904-891-2191, is still the best way to determine when an opening will be possible. This situation will continue until March of 2015. Skipper Charleston’s frustrations are surely shared by many.

      WRONG! I was TOLD this morning that there would be at least a TWO HOUR DELAY after the request is made to open the bridge! The boat behind me requested that the bridge be opened at 10 am today but the bridge tender said she had NO RECORD OF THE REQUEST HE MADE LAST NIGHT SO HE WAS TOLD HE WOULD HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL AT LEAST 2 PM as he arrived at 10 am as he said was scheduled.
      I got lucky as a SEATOW worker had scheduled an opening and was tied up at the JAX free dock near the GATOR BOWL (I will never call it any silly bank name, it’s always going to be the GATOR BOWL for me).
      IF you have to wait, from the NORTH go to the free GATOR BOWL marina sponsored by the City of JAX. From the south, go to the LANDING and have a beer at Hooters, or BBQ or anything. Arguing will not get the bridge opened as I listened to those who came after me until I arrived at the next bridge between me and sleep at the marina. When Small Craft warnings are issued, it is time to sail! What a great ride this week through the Keys and up past Miami on the East Coast.
      Bill Charleston

      Make sure you contact the bridge tender on the phone THAT SHIFT. I heard a boater who had called the day before to schedule an opening and the tender that day had no record of it.
      Bill Charleston

      Click Here To View the Cruisers’ Net’s Eastern Florida Bridge Directory Listing For Main Street Bridge

      Click Here To Open A Chart View Window, Zoomed To the Location of Main Street Bridge

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    • Good Words for Green Cove Springs Marina, St. Johns River near Jacksonville, FL

      Green Cove Springs Marina - Click for Chartview

      Green Cove Springs Marina – Click for Chartview

      Green Cove Springs Marina lies on the St. Johns River’s southwestern shores, in the heart of the old Navy Base, upstream of the Green Cove Springs City Dock, between Jacksonville and Palatka. The recommendation below comes fom the AGLCA forum./p>

      Green Cove Springs Marina, Green Cove Springs, FL is on the St. Johns River south of Jacksonville. Many Canadians and others store their boats during the summer, upon returning from a winter in the Bahama’s. They also have a work yard that allows live-aboard while working on your boat. Not the classiest place you’ve seen, but it serves the purpose. Next door is Reynolds Park Yacht Center and also Holland marine.
      King & Sharon Cole
      Blue Moon – 38′ Gulfstar

      Click Here To View the Cruisers’ Net’s Eastern Florida/St. Johns River Marina Directory Listing For Green Cove Springs Marina

      Click Here To Open A Chart View Window, Zoomed To the Location of Green Cove Springs Marina

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    • Eye Opening Video of the Debate in the Florida Senate Concerning the “Margolis Amendment”

      By now, just about everyone who has visited the Salty Southeast Cruisers’ Net within the last 24 hours knows that an effort was mounted in the Florida State Senate yesterday by Senator Margolis from Miami, that would have allowed Broward and Dade counties to pretty much institute any local anchorage regulations they wished. That amendment was withdrawn, BUT there is a new effort TODAY (4/23/14) to attach the same amendment to a Florida House bill. For more on this, please see /?p=139367.

      Courtesy of the Seven Seas Cruising Association’s “Concerned Cruisers Committee” we can present to you a video of the debate which took place in the Florida State Senate Appropriations Committee yesterday. THIS IS VERY REVEALING, particularly when Senator Margolis states that “we certainly don’t want to hear from the public,” or words to that effect.

      To make this work, without having to watch the entire 8 hours worth of video, you must follow this procedure.

      First, go to:

      https://www.flsenate.gov/media/VideoPlayer?EventID=2443575804_2014041245

      When the page opens, there will be a video window on the left side of the page. Click the play arrow. Let the video begin, and then hover your pointer near the bottom of the video window. A slide will appear. You will need to keep sliding this slider button to the right, until you reach the 462.30 minute mark. The debate concerning the “Margolis Amendment” is shown between time reference 462.30 and 469.5.

      It’s not often that members of the cruising community can actually see their “enemy” in regards to Florida anchoring rights, but this is an exception. We urge all cruisers to take advantage of this opportunity. And, oh yes, PLEASE let us know what you think, by using the “Comment” function below!

      Claiborne,
      I believe it is also important to recognize Davis Childs (NMMA rep.) and Bonnie Basham (Boat US rep.) both were there and both had cards in to speak if necessary.
      R, Phil

      I agree totally with Captain Phil’s comment above. Both NMMA and Boat/US have been invaluable and responded at light speed to this “out of the blue” situation! So, THANKS Bonnie Basham and Davis Childs!

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      1. David Burnham -  December 24, 2014 - 9:31 pm

        I’ve not heard of an instance of a complaint from the boating community when a waterfront private property owner builds a pier or dock out over navigable water that belongs to the boating public. So why should a waterfront private property owner complain when those public boaters are enjoying the navigable waters that were not obstructed by his pier or dock?

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    • Great Photos Of Jacksonville Landing Dock – Downtown Jacksonville, FL on the St. Johns River

      Here are several revealing photos of the free docks (no power or water connections), provided to us by our dear friends, and SSECN strategic partners, Susan Landry and Chuck Baier. As many of you already know, Chuck and Susan are the owners owners of Beach House Publications, publishers of “The Great Book of Anchorages,” (http://www.tgboa.com)! THANKS CHUCK AND SUSAN!
      One word of warning – I know from personal experience that it can get surprisingly right at the Jacksonville Lnading dock, so keep an eye on the weather and wind!

      jacksonvillelanding1

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    • A New, High Volume Dredge Arrives at Amelia Island Yacht Basin (Statute Mile 720.5)

      Amelia Island Yacht Basin - Marina and Boat Yard - Amelia Island Florida In December of this year, after a personal visit to this facility, we reported that SALTY SOUTHEAST CRUISERS’ NET SPONSOR, Amelia Island Yacht Basin, was awaiting the arrival of a new, high-volume dredge that would be permanently located here. Amelia Island has always offered superbly sheltered dockage, and full on-site services, including repairs. The rub has been depths both on the canal-like entrance channel and in the dockage basin. Well, all that will begin to change very soon.

      New Amelia Island Yacht Basin Dredge

      New Amelia Island Yacht Basin Dredge

      While attending the just completed MTOA Spring Rendezvous in Fernandina Beach, I again made a personal visit to Amelia Island Yacht Basin, and had a most informative conversation with General Manager, Bill Galloway and Office Manager, Kristen Galloway. I was very pleased to learn that the NEW DREDGE HAS JUST ARRIVED! Some piping must still be delivered, but in a few weeks, dredging of the entrance channel will begin.
      Bill explained to me that this new dredge can “do in a few hours what took our old dredge a few weeks to accomplish.” While it will take a bit of time to get the entrance channel and harbor to the depth targets set by marina management, once that is accomplished the on-site dredge will only need to do a bit of maintenance dredging from time to time.
      Wow, what a wonderful improvement to an already excellent facility. We’ll keep you informed as the dredging operations proceed!

      Click Here To View the Eastern Florida Cruisers’ Net Marina Directory Listing For Amelia Island Yacht Basin

      Click Here To Open A Chart View Window, Zoomed To the Location of Amelia Island Yacht Basin

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    • Report from Alligator Creek Anchorage, south of Fernandina, FL, AICW Statute Mile 726

      Alligator Creek Anchorage – Click for Chartview

      The entrance to Alligator Creek Anchorages lies north-northeast of the ICW’s unlighted daybeacon #36. The two recommended locations are above and below the mouth of Alligator Creek.

      I’ve been here on two occasions, the first time during a howling northwest wind of 35 to 40 MPH and ducked in between the sand bar and shore in about 12 feet of water, just up from the cut. The trees did a great job of sheltering me from the wind and waves.
      The second time was in March of 2013, the wind was howling from the southeast, and the tide was screaming out. I anchored in the same location and it became real bumpy. Nice place, though.
      Travlin-Easy

      Click Here To View the Eastern Florida Cruisers’ Net Anchorage Directory Listing For Alligator Creek Anchorage

      Click Here To Open A Chart View Window, Zoomed To the Location of Alligator Creek Anchorage

      Comments from Cruisers (1)

      1. Travlin-Easy -  April 22, 2014 - 8:47 am

        I’ve been here on two occasions, the first time during a howling northwest wind of 35 to 40 MPH and ducked in between the sand bar and shore in about 12 feet of water, just up from the cut. The trees did a great job of sheltering me from the wind and waves.
        The second time was in March of 2013, the wind was howling from the southeast, and the tide was screaming out. I anchored in the same location and it became real bumpy. Nice place, though.
        Travlin-Easy

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    • More Discussion of Longer FEC RR Bridge Closures in Store for South Florida?

      Wow, here is a piece of sobering news from our “man on the scene” in Stuart, Florida, Captain Ted Guy. Ted is a maritime attorney and the past president of the Treasure Coast Marine Industries Association, and is unusually knowledgeable about all things nautical when it comes to Eastern Florida and the Okeechobee Waterway. Looks like we may all have more time to wait at railway bridges in Florida, starting in 2015!

      Claiborne, my friend,
      A local controversy has sprung up in the boating community about FEC adding 16 passenger trains each way each day to about ten or twelve freights each way each day, more than doubling the bridge closure down time per day. It will affect their drawbridges from Cocoa Beach to Miami. The new service starting in 2015 is called “All Aboard Florida”, although I’ve heard they may rename it. Check out www.allaboardflorida.com .
      W.E. “Ted” Guy, Jr.

      This is going to be a huge problem if it ever comes to completion. Some estimates say the bridge will be closed up to 75% of the time for train crossings.
      In addition the bridge is beyond it’s end of life and the RR company (FEC) does not intend to replace it. A breakdown is very likely.
      For more information, see the grass roots campaign at:
      http://www.floridanotallaboard.com/
      Paul Sears
      Sailing Vessel `Aurora’ currently in Palm City to the West of the RR bridge!

      Vero Beach county officials are raising concerns about the impact of the All-Aboard Florida passenger rail service as outlined the article by Lisa Zahner linked here from VeroNew.com:
      http://www.veronews.com/news/indian_river_county/traffic/county-vero-beach-raise-concerns-about-all-aboard-florida/article_3d54f83e-ba10-11e3-87b7-001a4bcf6878.html

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    • Good Words for Harbortown Marina, AICW Statute Mile 965

      Harbortown Marina - Click for Chartview

      Harbortown Marina – Click for Chartview

      Harbortown Marina sits on the northern banks of Taylor Creek, which cuts into the Waterway’s western flank, south of unlighted daybeacon #184, just north of the Ft. Pierce Inlet.

      We stayed there after a long day south. The marina is very large, and we were on the face dock. The people were friendly and helpful, and Publix is close. The wifi is not worth trying. I was with tech support which I quit after an hour with no results. I was told there are 4 transmitters and ours was `not well’ although the office acknowledged it has never worked well. Overall, I would return.
      John Pholeric

      Click Here To View the Cruisers’ Net’s Eastern Florida Marina Directory Listing For Harbortown Marina

      Click Here To Open A Chart View Window, Zoomed To the Location of Harbortown Marina

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    • Plans to Replace Remaining Drawbridges in Daytona Beach, AICW Statute Mile 830

      Daytona Beach Bridges - Click for Chartview

      Daytona Beach Bridges – Click for Chartview

      Except for the tallest masted of our friends, the high-rise 65ft fixed bridges have been a blessing, unless like some of us old-timers, you actually miss chatting with the bridge tenders, even the less-than-friendly ones! The article linked below from NewDaytonaBeach.com outlines plans to replace the remaining drawbridges across the Waterway in Volusia County. Of the four bridges crossing the Waterway in Daytona Beach, only Main Street Bridge (closed vertical clearance of 22ft) and Memorial Bridge (closed vertical clearance of 21ft) are drawbridges. Seabreeze Bridge and Broadway Bridge are both high-rise fixed bridges.

      http://newsdaytonabeach.com/county-looking-to-replace-final-intracoastal-waterway-drawbridges/
      daytona2

      Click Here To View the Eastern Florida Cruisers’ Net Bridge Directory Listing For Main Street Bridge

      Click Here To View the Eastern Florida Cruisers’ Net Bridge Directory Listing For Memorial Bridge

      Click Here To Open A Chart View Window, Zoomed To the Location of Daytona Beach

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    • Florida’s Derelict Vessel Issue Addressed by Legislature

      The issue of derelict vessels in Florida’s anchorages has been brewing for years with much discussion as to how to remedy the situation. New bills now before the Florida congress attempt to offer a solution that will remove the offending vessels without imposing on the rights of legitimate cruisers. It will not be an easy task, since the enforcement of any new regulations will been given to local marine law enforcement which, in the past, has not been on the best of terms with the cruising community, especially transients. The excellent article linked below from KeysNews.com by Timothy O’Hara discusses the bills in detail.

      http://keysnews.com/node/54451

      Laws and regulations already exist that cover this issue thoroughly, but nobody wants to assume the responsibility or pay for the operation to remove the boat. The FWC has developed a detailed and logical set of regulations and procedures for dealing with true derelict vessels. It is not lack of laws, but passing the buck that has caused the real problems. In the Keys the headline grabbing costs have mostly been generated by a few large commercial vessels, like the tugboat that sank recently. Most truly derelict vessels are not insured and in many cases the owners have no assets to seize. I suppose you can now throw them in jail, further costing the taxpayers large sums for years to come.
      John Kettlewell

      Lets hope that local law enforcement doesn’t consider any and all anchorages on the ICW to be `adjacent to heavily travelled channels’. I believe that , as worded, this leaves too much open to interpretation.
      Cambren Davis

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    • Report on Shoaling in St. Lucie River, Okeechobee Waterway, Statute Mile 1, Stuart, FL

      St. Lucie Shoaling – Click for Chartview

      Skipper Harmon is referring to a stretch of shoaling at the eastern end of the Okeechobee Waterway where we have had a Navigation Alert posted since May of 2013, (see /?p=113451). Again, our advice, and that of Skipper Harmon, is to ignore the magenta line and follow the markers.

      The problem stretch near markers 17 and 17A claimed another boater. I recently completed the Okeechobee Waterway and found the charts make this area very confusing and, the small can marker 17A is hard to see. The charts depict a dredged channel and the magenta line indicates you can pass west of the green marker 17. If you follow this route (magenta line) you will find very shallow water. When I passed the area all east bound traffic was leaving the green markers 17A and 17 to the starboard, west bound to the port. If you are meeting traffic, slowing down will allow everyone to pass 17 safely.

      Click Here To Open A Chart View Window, Zoomed To A “Navigation Alert” Position in St. Lucie River

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    • Skipper Seeking Advice on a Southerly Cruise

      Skipper Jerry is asking for your input into a cruise he is planning. He has given us his email so you can communicate directly. While the bulk of the cruise will be well beyond the waters covered by SSECN, we know that many of you have made the trip he is proposing. If you have advice for Skipper Jerry, give him a shout!

      I’m looking for input from SSEC members who have sailed recently to Guatemala through Mexico. I will be sailing from Fort Myers Beach and am interested in any customs problems and piracy issues. jcvillines@gmail.com
      Jerry

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    • Shoaling Warned in Ponce de Leon Inlet, near AICW Statute Miles 843 and 839


      This warning of shoaling in Ponce de Leon Inlet comes from SeaTow’s Facebook page. To see that posting, go to:
      https://www.facebook.com/SeaTowDaytona/posts/697592116939014:0

      Ponce Inlet (as it is known to all the locals) intersects the Waterway at Statute Mile 839.5, with a second southerly intersection near St. M. 843.

      Shoal Warning:
      Heavy shoaling exists beyond the posted shoaling markers in Ponce Inlet. Please take caution when transiting the area, as shoaling may not be visible. Keep south off the shoal markers and keep them 150′ off your beam to avoid running aground. The yellow line illustrates our recommended course.
      ***Note: Sand bar conditions can change at anytime and Sea Tow Daytona/Ponce is not responsible for the current accuracy of map.

      Ponce Inlet

      Ponce Inlet

      Click Here To Open A Chart View Window, Zoomed To the Location of Ponce Inlet

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    • Good Words for Camachee Cove Yacht Harbor, AICW Statute Mile 775.5

      Welcome to Camachee Cove Yacht Harbor! Located in America?s oldest city- St. Augustine, Florida- Camachee Cove is a fully protected marina adjacent to the ICW, and less than a mile from the St. Augus

      Camachee Cove Yacht Harbor - Click for Chartview

      Camachee Cove Yacht Harbor – Click for Chartview

      A SALTY SOUTHEAST CRUISERS’ NET SPONSOR, Camachee Cove Yacht Harbor is located just off the Waterway’s western shoreline, south of unlighted daybeacon #7 and north of the Vilano Beach Bridge.

      Good protected dockage, marine services, full service yard with haul out, restaurant/bar, and sailboat school/rentals at Camachee Cove Marina on the north side of St. Augustine.
      Capt. Alex

      Click Here To View the Eastern Florida Cruisers’ Net Marina Directory Listing For Camachee Cove Yacht Harbor

      Click Here To Open A Chart View Window, Zoomed To the Location of Camachee Cove Yacht Harbor

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    • Report from St. Augustine Mooring Fields, AICW Statute Mile 778

      St. Augustine - Click for Chartview

      St. Augustine – Click for Chartview

      The two St. Augustine mooring fields are north and south of the Bridge of Lions in the heart of St. Augustine. The northern mooring field is nearest the St. Augustine inlet and is more often subject to wind and wave action.

      Stopped twice in Nov on the way south. Both times the mooring field was quite uncomfortable from sustained hi winds.
      Great town to visit but long term on a mooring would not be ideal.
      xort

      Click Here To View the Eastern Florida Cruisers’ Net Anchorage Directory Listing For the Southern St. Augustine Mooring Field

      Click Here To Open A Chart View Window, Zoomed To the Location of the Southern St. Augustine Mooring Field

      Click Here To View the Eastern Florida Cruisers’ Net Anchorage Directory Listing For the Northern St. Augustine Mooring Field

      Click Here To Open A Chart View Window, Zoomed To the Location of the Northern St. Augustine Mooring Field

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    • Good Saturdays/Great Staff at Beach Marine, AICW Statute Mile 748, Jacksonville Beach, FL

      Beach Marine - Click for Chartview

      Beach Marine – Click for Chartview

      Beach Marine is located south of unlighted daybeacon #34, and just northeast of the B. B. McCormick – Beach Boulevard 65-foot, fixed bridge. The review below comes to us from the AGLCA forum.

      We were heading north and stopped at Beach Marina in Jacksonville Beach,Florida on March 5 for a couple of days while a COLD front blew through. While there the dockmaster Bryan told us that he hosts a “Tiki Hut Party” on the last Saturday of every month for slipholders and transients. Food, beer and wine are FREE as well as DOCKAGE (pull in as early as you like on Saturday and you don’t have to leave until 4 PM Sunday). You only have to pay for electricity ($8 for 30 amp, $12 for 50).
      Call the Dock Master, Bryan Reid (904.694.2098) a day or two ahead and reserve a spot at the party and the dock. ENJOY!
      PS. Great staff; great marina.
      Bob & Jon Volkwein
      M/V YINZER

      Click Here To View the Eastern Florida Cruisers’ Net Marina Directory Listing For Beach Marine

      Click Here To Open A Chart View Window, Zoomed To the Location of Beach Marine

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    • High Praise for Parker Yachts of Fort Lauderdale, FL

      Parker Yachts is located at 225 SW 32nd St, Fort Lauderdale, FL 33315, (954) 463-1515, www.parkeryacht.com

      For the second time on our cruise this year, we’ve had tremendous help from a marine business. This time, we were stranded in George Town, Exumas with two non-working engines. Our catamaran has two T9.9 Yamahas. We’d been down one engine for a couple of weeks, and lost the second engine on our arrival in George Town. After trouble-shooting the issues, we determined we needed a replacement CDI, Pulser Coil, and Charge Coil. These parts were not available in the Bahamas so we called several parts dealers in the States. All estimated at least a two-week delivery just to get the parts to their own shops. Susan at Parker Yachts understood our plight and was sympathetic. She managed to get us all that we needed in a matter of days, and personally delivered them to Reggie Express Air for flight directly to George Town. We can’t say enough about how terrific Susan was to work with. Her communication, sense of humor, professionalism, and ability to get what you need FAST is exemplary. Our thanks to Susan and Parker Yachts for helping us to get our engines up and running and our cruise under way again.
      George and Karen Schietinger s/v Tara

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    • More on Vessel Tax and Registration in Florida

      Vessel taxes and registration in the state of Florida are an ongoing topics on SSECN (see /?p=106014) and the comments below offer more good information about keeping your boat legal in regards to taxes and registration. The link for applying for the Sojourner Permit mentioned below is: http://www.leetc.com/vehiclevessel.asp?page_id=vesselsojourner

      They only allow you to be there 90 days, or else you will have to register the boat and pay Florida sales tax. Florida has reciprocal agreements with other states so proving you paid sales tax in another state will give you credit in FL for that payment.
      We just registered our boat in FL (in order to stay longer than 90 days. Registration cost us just under $200. FL does not tryto collect sales tax so long as the boat did not enter Florida waters for at least six months after you purchased it.
      If you want to stay in the state more than 90 days consecutively (or 183 days per year) you may apply for a Sojourner Permit. This will extend the visiting rights for a registered vessel for an additional 60 days, and it gives a documented vessel an additional year.
      Here is where it gets complicated. The Sojourner Permit is issued by the county. It is a state wide permit but the county issues it. This has lead to a great deal of confusion because many county employees do not know about it. And there are a variety of different interpretations. If you are going to be in Florida for over 90 days you would be wise to educate yourself in advance and get the permit form on line (HSMV 87244 “Application to Register Non Titled Vessels”). Fill it out and take it to the county tax office and be prepared to educate the clerk when you arrive.
      Tom Hale

      Following up on earlier comments — we had no state registration whatsoever (it’s a documented boat) until we came to FL. It is not required by our state of domicile (SD), and we deliberately chose a DE hailing port for the boat and a DE registration for our tender to avoid any “where’s your state sicker” questions — DE does not require or issue registration stickers on documented vessels. (And, yes, I know it matters not one whit what hailing port is chosen for a documented vessel, but there are, apparently, some LEOs who choose to remain blissfully unaware of this fact).
      The permit of which you speak generates a good deal of confusion, as you’ve noted. You can only get one if you already have a registration from another state (yes, even if your boat is federally documented). Also, many tax collectors know nothing about it. See this discussion on the SSECN: /florida-sojourners-permit-reprise/
      In our case, we’d first need to persuade DE to issue us a registration sticker, which is uncommon for documented vessels and therefore can not be done with just a few mouse clicks (unlike, for example, our tender). That sticker would cost us about the same $200 annually as the FL registration. Then we’d need to apply for the sojourner permit, which would only give us 11 months.
      For the same $200 we now have a regular FL sticker and we can come and go to FL as we please. Also, we have a real sticker to show any other state who wants to play the “show me your sticker” game. We did not have to pay FL sales tax on the boat, although, to be fair, we had the boat for more than a year before we first arrived in FL waters.
      BTW, we did all this at the Martin County Tax Collector in Stuart, and the person who handles boats there was well-versed in the intricacies of FL boat registrations. She collected six months’ worth of marina and fuel receipts from us to establish that the boat had remained outside FL for a full six months after purchase. If you plan to go the same route, make sure you have such documentation — your log book alone will not suffice. We established this practice when we bought the boat, so that we would always have documentation for any state officials that we had not overstayed our welcome in their waters. We also get and keep pump-out receipts for the same reason. FWIW and YMMV.
      -Sean
      m/y Vector

      Not to add to the confused state of this topic, but there’s a big distinction that needs to be drawn regarding the type of tax being discussed. This applies to all major purchases (cars, trucks, boats, etc). There is a _sales_ tax which is paid to the state at the time of purchase (if the state has a sales tax – some don’t).
      There is a _USE_ TAX (pronounced “yoose”) which is paid to the state where the item is being used (if a state has a sales tax, they’ll most likely also have a USE tax). The purpose of this tax is to equalize the tax consequences for someone who goes to a no-tax or low-tax state to purchase a high-priced item, thereby _attempting_ to avoid the state sales tax.
      Florida (and many other states), for example, has both a sales and a use tax. The discussion on this thread regarding taxes generally is dealing with the use tax, not the sales tax.
      There are a number of exemptions to paying the use tax. In Florida, owning the property and keeping it out of the state for more than six months will result in no use tax liability. There are other exemptions as well, including a credit for sales tax paid in another state as well as for a use tax paid in another state.
      Your friendly local tax collector can probably help sort things out (as long as their familiar with their own state’s tax rules).
      Federal documentation of a boat doesn’t affect the tax situation one way or the other; that’s been the case since the 1950s.
      Bob McLeran and Judy Young
      MV Sanderling

      Re “They only allow you to be there 90 days, or else you will have to register the boat and pay Florida sales tax” exactly what “SALE” took place? You already owned the boat when you entered Florida, so I don’t see what sale took place when you entered Florida waters.
      Bob Peterson
      Lopaka Nane

      None, but they want to make sure you paid sales tax somewhere. I’ve never seen the “fairness” in this, but Texas did the same thing when the started requiring Documented boats to register. If you had owned the boat less than 4 years and kept it in Texas over 90 days you had to pay Texas sales tax if you had not paid it elsewhere, no matter where or when you bought the boat.
      Texas, at least gave us the 4 year “loophole”. Not sure Fla has a time limit on ownership. Maybe someone on the list can tell us. With the 4 year rule in Texas, you can imagine all the dodging that was going on for those of us folks that had owned our boats just under the 4 year limit. Lets just say I got to do a couple of lovely cruises to Lake Charles, La and bought fuel while I was there.
      Brent

      Here’s a Florida interesting fact: when your boat becomes 30 years old the state registration fee goes way down. Mine was $7.00 this year. It was $5.26 last year.
      The Motor Vehicle people will not offer this information and you need to remind them and fill in a simple form to get it but it saved me more than $200.00 a year.
      This may happen in other states as well; worth checking into.
      Fred Sorensen
      OA 43

      We purchased our boat in 2009 in Maryland and paid the sales tax plus got a 90 day Maryland registration recommends by the dealer. Immediately took it to Florida where we registered it and it has been ever since.
      Two times since then New York State, where we live, has contacted us for prove that we paid the sales tax and said, if you ever bring the boat into NY waters, or pass through NY waters, we must pay the difference between Maryland and the higher NY sales tax.
      Chas & Bev

      Interesting idea about saving marina and fuel receipts for six months, but for me on a sailboat with large tankage that might be nothing more than a couple of fuel receipts, if that. I almost never stay in a marina. Seems like it might be hard to prove a negative like you have never been someplace. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? Bottom line is you were dealing with an ornery official who was probably making the rules up to suit their own agenda. Also, as some have pointed out, never rely on any official to actually know the laws they are supposed to be enforcing. Read up on the statutes in play and be prepared to bring copies of them to show. I have encountered numerous cases of bureaucracy not knowing their own rules.
      John Kettlewell

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    • Another Recommendation for Burkey Marine Group, West Palm Beach, FL


      These recommendations come from Skipper Jones who had diesel service while berthed at Fort Pierce City Marina, A CRUISERS NET SPONSOR! and Capt. Terry who also had service from Burkey Marine Group out of West Palm Beach, FL.

      The best thing is we had a company come out and service our diesel engines onsite last minute! We do suggest Burkey Marine Group 772-215-7663
      Tom Jones

      We also had a great job and repair done while preparing to cross over and later getting towed. Burkey Marine Group saved us ! Thank you to Greg Burkey and the BMG team.
      Capt. Terry

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      Comments from Cruisers (13)

      1. Chris -  March 28, 2024 - 4:32 pm

        He did the same thing when he lived here… would make up names and post glowing reviews. If you read the positive posts closely, you can tell they are written by the same person- him.

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      2. Chris -  March 28, 2024 - 4:29 pm

        He is a lifelong con man. He ripped me off on a repair scam in Charleston, SC before he got ran out of town.

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      3. Ben wilson -  September 21, 2020 - 10:27 am

        We used this outfit to help us out in a jam They saved out trip. I reccomend them for sure in the Jupiter Stuart Rea

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      4. Matthew MacDonnell -  November 13, 2018 - 5:18 pm

        There is no Group in Greg Burkey Marine Group. Only Greg Burkey. Anyone who knows anything about the Boat industry and specifically Diesels knows how each manufacturers line is extremely specific requiring on going training. For anyone to think one person, Greg Burkey, can be trained in all the varieties of Engines, Gensets, cooling systems has no comprehension of the industry or it's products.

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      5. tom -  July 31, 2017 - 5:09 pm

        do not believe all the rosey reviews, he ripped me off for $100 and damaged my boat. check out the other complaints as well. to verify my review email or text me at 954 699 5240 or tmkjumpstart@gmail.com. he must be posting these himself.

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      6. Dr Ben Jenso -  May 24, 2016 - 11:06 am

        Big Diesel aka Burkey Marine , was waiting on our arrival on Saturday night after working hours to help us on an overheat situation. It was the best $150.00 we have spent yet! We do thank you Greg Burkey for the help!
        Dr. Ben Jenson

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      7. Bill Thomas -  May 20, 2016 - 11:09 am

        Nice group of people , did a fine job of repairing our Yanmay after hous on the weekend. Greg Burkey and Burkey Marine is on my speed dial!
        Capt Bill

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        • a thomason -  December 28, 2016 - 10:48 am

          Arriving in West Palm Beach I had realized the engine was acting up before a crossing so we called Greg Burkey and Burkey Marine Group to assist us. We were told the gasket was not seated properly on the impellor housing. After a quick snug on the screws we were off and free of charge at that, I would say my wife and I were happy and to date all is well. I would call them again given the need!
          I’ll list their number
          Burkey Marine Group 772-215-7663

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      8. Terry and lisa Wallace -  May 16, 2016 - 4:45 pm

        I agree and also had a real problem that got worked out after the Burkey team had come out and fixed our disabled vessel.
        We have attached basic information so you can contact them if need. Terry and Lisa Wallace

        BMG AKA Big Diesel is a mobile marine diesel engine repair and servicing company conveniently based out of North Palm Beach, Florida. We serve South Florida including Jupiter, Stuart, West Palm Beach, Fort Lauderdale, and The Bahama Islands. We repair , rebuild and rewire marine diesel engines and marine diesel generators.
        Big Diesel Marine aka Burkey marine Group , services most makes and models of motor yachts. Over 20 years of hands-on diesel engine expertise combined with the in-depth knowledge of ancillary systems help ensure a one-call resolution.
        We service most major brands including Volvo Penta , Caterpillar , Cummins, Detroit Diesel , John Deere , MTU , Yanmar, Kilo Pak , Northern Lights , Onan , Westerbeke , ZF, Allison, Twin Disk and Lugger.

        A few of the services we offer:
        •Marine Engine Repair
        •Marine Engine Rebuild
        •Marine Engine Maintenance
        •Diesel Injector Service
        •Diesel Fuel Systems
        •Diesel Water Pump
        •Marine generators installation and repair
        •Hydraulic systems and repair
        •Electronic systems survey
        •Marine batteries, chargers and inverters
        •Oil and fuel sample analysis
        •Electrical troublesehooting and custom install​
        •Prepurchase inspection , complete engine mechanical , ac , driveline , and systems survey for all survey needs.
        •Trip survey for long distace piece of mind , travel parts , tools materials for unexpected maintaince during travel.

        ​For a professional, personal, shipyard-free motor yacht repair or service experience contact:

        We are a full service mobile marine dockside service with a full engine rebuild facility located in Palm Beach County.
        Contact Greg Burkey Marine 772-215-7663

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      9. Tim Jenson -  June 25, 2015 - 2:01 pm

        Great day until our diesel engines injested something the boat overheated. A local dealer came out and couldn’t repair the boat for two days then we called a group Called Big Diesel aka Burkey Marine on a Saturday after 7pm these guys came out fixed the blockage in our systems and we were on our way! My wife and I will always keep the number you should too as they travel where ever the boat is! You may have to pay for airfare but Burkey Marine is our number one diesel service center for our boat. Sincerly Captain Tim Jensen
        FYI Burkey Marine Group 772-215-7663

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      10. Richard Holmes -  April 16, 2015 - 3:15 pm

        We had a great experience with Burkey and crew a top notch out fit. My wife Gina and I are really happy ! R Holmes

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        • travis barker -  January 25, 2016 - 12:32 pm

          We called Greg Burkey Burkey marine group for help they were to busy to come out so they talked us through it over the phone as if they were here. It all worked fine at no charge! Just air in the line after a filter replacement. Thanx Mr Big Diesel

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        • Ben Johnson -  May 9, 2016 - 3:24 pm

          Burkey Marine Group did great work for us we totally reccomend Greg Burkey and the big Diesel Crew! Cazp. Ben

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