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    • Possible Shortcut From St. Catherine Sound to Walburg Creek Anchorage (St. M. 619)

      It might help to understand the posting below, if you were first to take a look at the portion of chart which depicts the northern entrance to the excellent Walburg Creek anchorage, from St. Catherine Sound. As you will see, there is a long shoal charted as “Middle Ground” which thrusts into the western flank of the creek’s entrance.
      The classic way to avoid these shallows has been to continue cruising east, as if you were going to follow the St. Catherine Sound Inlet to the open sea, and then curl back around to the south and west from a position east of marker #7.
      What Captain Long is attempting to do, as described below, is find a way to short-cut the long cruise east to get past #7. Looks like he may have found a way for the moment, BUT, as he notes, depths in this region are subject to rapid and uncharted changes. Cutting the corner may be a risky proposition, and the responsibility to take such a chance rests entirely with each individual captain!

      When coming across Saint Catherines Sound in a stiff breeze as I did yesterday, it’s tempting to cut across the long shoal that forms an extension of the north bank of Walberg Creek if you plan to seek shelter there. It’s also tempting at the end of a long run to this beautiful spot.
      BobT’s friends in Second Wind ran the magenta line which goes far out into the entrance of the sound to the ocean. This left them with a hard slog under power back up to the creek. It also could have left them in a dicey situation if their engine hadn’t started, being carried out to sea by two knots of current. It would have been tough in those conditions to set sail and beat to windward in the nasty chop.
      There have been a lot of changes in this area and the chart is pretty much fictional now. Since it was calm this morning and I planned a very short day, I decided to do a quick survey. My soundings are in red, corrected to MLW with the tide data in my Garmin chartplotter.
      The highlighted track shows my attempt to feel my way along the 8 foot sounding line. There are some 10 foot spots along that track but I was shy about pushing right in with a lot of current behind me. When I found the 5 foot spot earlier on, the depth change was quite fast.
      Roger Long

      And, here is some additional info from Captain Long:

      You should probably mention that I took the shortcut over the 9 foot, now 32 foot soundings and went very near the 5 foot sounding early this year and didn’t notice the depths being significantly different than the chart. I may not have been paying as much attention but this appears to be an area subject to fast changes.
      Roger

      Click Here To View the Georgia Anchorage Cruisers’ Net Anchorage Directory Listing For the Walburg Creek Anchorage

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    • A Word of Caution about Adverse Currents at AICW/St. Augustine Inlet, Statute Mile 777.3


      Marker #60 - Click for Chartview

      Capt. Burnham offers compelling words of caution which should be taken seriously during falling tides at the intersection of the Waterway and St. Augustine Inlet at statue mile 777.3, especially at marker #60 where the channel makes a dogleg turn. And, no matter how often it happens, as any displacement hull vessel operator will relate, it is a strange sensation in the pit of your stomach when Mother Nature, in the guise of a crossing tide, unexpectedly wrests your boat from your control! While Capt. Burnham’s remarks pertain to St. Augustine Inlet, such adverse crossing tides can occur at a number of inlet/Waterway intersections.

      We were cruising north from the Bridge of Lions in St. Augustine and planned a short daysail north up the AICW and back again. On a ebb flowing tide, two currents collide with the eastbound flow through the St. Augustine inlet. The southbound AICW ebb current and the northerly ebb current from Salt Run. A vessel traveling south on the ebb current of the AICW that desires to continue westward to the Bridge of Lions, will be swept past floating RED AICW marker `60’³ into the path of a vessel heading eastward from the Bridge of Lions toward the inlet. This is not a narrow channel but the eddies created on an ebbing tide will cause a southbound vessel on the AICW to momentarily lose steerage at this right hand turn UNLESS the Captain APPLIES SUFFICIENT POWER to maintain forward momentum. Exercise CAUTION if you are leaving St. Augustine and you see vessel traffic coming from the north on the AICW. If that southbound vessel turns westward away from the inlet into the ebbing current it will lose the apparent speed of the southbound current as it turns right around the floating RED AICW marker `60’³ and MAY be swept into the path of the eastbound vessel if caught in the eddies. This is especially true for displacement hulled vessels and vessels not at planing speeds. Give these southbound vessels ALOT of room to make their turn to the west.
      David Burnham

      Thank you Captain Burnham. We plan to be heading south through this area in mid-January.
      Brian Walter

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    • Things Have CHANGED On Troup Creek, Georgia (Statute Mile 670.5, just north of Brunswick, Georgia)

      Just this past week, I was reminded of one reason why, several years ago, I made the transition from authoring paper cruising guides, to publishing all the data I gather on the world wide web. This tale begins when I received a very polite e-mail from the owner of Hidden Harbor Marina, a very nice facility on the shores of Troup Creek, just off the AICW, a short hop north of Brunswick, Georgia.
      A visiting cruiser had informed the owner that in my “Cruising Guide to Coastal South Carolina and Georgia,” I had less than nice things to say about visiting this body of water. Turns out the CGSC-GA edition in question was at least six years old, and, at that time, there was a seriously scuzzy, combination bar and marina perched on the shores of Troup Creek. Hence my less than glowing recommendation.
      Happily, those days are LONG GONE, and there is every good reason for cruisers to visit the facility which now occupies these shores, Hidden Harbor Marina. And, to bring this discussion full circle, that is one of the real problems with paper cruising guide. They often hang around far past their “sell-by” date.
      So, if you have old editions of my cruising guides or anyone elses, use them for a bon fire, and get the latest edition of all your guide books, or better yet, get your data on marina, anchorages and bridges right here, on the Salty Southeast Cruisers’ Net!

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    • Little Shark River Southern Fork Anchorage

       Looks like Captains Ken and Pat are reporting on (or near) the second anchorage we recommend on Little Shark River moving upstream from the stream’s mouth. In our “Western Florida Anchorage Directory” (follow link below), we recommend dropping the hook north of the “island,” but, hey, Little Shark River is one of those places where you could spend a month, and never exhaust all the anchorage possibilities!

      I wish we would have spent more time exploring the Everglades. We did anchor in Little Shark River, and enjoyed exploring in the dinghy.
      We went up the mouth of the river, turned right at the T, and anchored below the first Island. Very nice spot!
      Ken & Pat Goewey

      Click Here To View the Western Florida Cruisers’ Net Anchorage Directory Listing For the Little Shark River Southern Fork Anchorage

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    • Dismal Swamp Canal Re-Opened! AICW Alternate Route

      Dismal Swamp Canal Bridge

      The Great Dismal Swamp Canal Bridge, which crosses the Waterway at statute mile 28, has been closed for maintenance for several weeks and, except for small craft, the repairs essentially closed the Dismal Swamp Canal to navigation. With repairs now completed, the Dismal Swamp Canal is once again open for navigation. The AICW Alternate Dismal Swamp Canal Route southbound departs the primary AICW south of Norfolk at Statute Mile 7.2 and begins officially at Deep Creek Lock at Statute Mile 10.6.

      Supt. Joy Greenwood reports the bridge repairs have been completed and the Canal has reopened for transient boating traffic. Please help us get the word out!
      Thank you!
      Donna Stewart, Director
      Dismal Swamp Welcome Center
      2356 US Hwy 17N
      South Mills, NC 27976
      Phone ~ 252-771-8333
      www.DismalSwampWelcomeCenter.com

      Larry and Claiborne,
      Thanks for sharing the message. We were only closed for four and a half days due to hydraulic work on the bridge which crosses over the Canal to the Dismal Swamp State Park. We had a boat make the 1:30pm locking at Deep Creek and stay with us last night. If you’re still traveling south, we would love to see you.
      Donna Stewart

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    • Higher than Normal Tides Lower Vertical Clearance at Hwy 802/McTeer Bridge, Beaufort, SC, AICW Statute Mile 540


      Highway 802 Bridge - Click for Chartview

      The moon and higher than normal tides this year have been causing problems for our tall masted friends. There are tide gauges missing from a number of bridges in NC and SC. The Coast Guard Chief of Operations of Bridge is aware of the missing boards and hopefully, they will be replaced and/or corrected soon! In the meantime, keep an eye on the tide tables for the particular area and proceed with caution at mid-tide through all the fixed height bridges.
      The notices to report damage posted at most bridges generally refers to damage occurring to the bridge – usually the fender system – and not, unfortunately, for damages to vessels.

      NO GAGE ON THIS BRIDGE FOR HEIGHT.
      We were told by Port Royal Landing that there was only 63 foot of Clearance at High Tide on 12-12-12.
      (There is a notice to report bridge damage.)
      With a phone number???????
      Debra Baas

      We passed through this bridge on 12/7/2012. No tide gauges. Most of the sixth fenderboard was showing above the water (we were told that if the top of the fifth was showing there was 65′ 5’³ of clearance). Predicted tide at the Beaufort Island tide station then was +1.2 feet. Out 66′ tall antennas passed under the bridge without touching.
      John Kremski

      The critical piece of information that’s often hard to come by is the relation of tide height (relatively easy) to MHW. MHW for a location is printed on some smaller-scale charts, but I haven’t seen it presented by chartplotters or applications (e.g. Wxtide32). We can get MHW indirectly from the NOAA Tides & Currents Datums pages. Careful though! The tabulated numbers are not based on MLW or MLLW, but on `station datum’ so there’s a little extra math. But it sure would be useful to have something more portable that doesn’t require Web access.
      There’s no substitute for ACCURATE clearance boards, though.
      As a footnote, with a mean sea level rise per annum of about 2mm, a bridge built 50 years ago at 65′ clearance would have lost about 4’³ of that.
      Larry Shick

      Click Here To View the South Carolina Cruisers’ Net Bridge Directory Listing For Highway 802 Bridge

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    • Saturday Farmer’s Market in Fernandina Beach, FL (Statute Mile 716.5)

      Fernandina Beach is the first port of call after crossing south from Georgia into Eastern Florida. This community features a GREAT downtown business district with LOTS of good places to eat and shop. Now, we hear there’s a weekly farmer’s market here as well!

      [There is a farmer’s market in] Fernandina beach Florida every Saturday morn @ 7th street and main.
      Ellen Langer
      Roy DeLong
      M/V Our Turn

      Yes, there is a fabulous farmer’s market in historic Fernandina Beach, just blocks from the charming waterfront. Open every Saturday on lovely Amelia Island in NE Florida (except for Shrimp Festival Weekend) rain or shine, from 9:00 AM to 1:00 PM. The Market Place features organic fruits, vegetables, dairy, meat, breads and other baked goods, seasonal surprises, light entertainment, and so much more! (Well behaved, leashed pets are welcome to join you for a stroll through the friendliest Farmers’ Market in Florida.)
      For more information visit http://www.AmeliaIslandMarketPlace.com.

      Judie Mackie

      As a local, I go there every Saturday. Yesterday I purchased some organic vegetables and range fed beef. The pricing is in line with regular stores but the quality can’t be beat.
      Mike

      My Personal Chef supplies deliciously prepared soups and entrees at the Fernandina Beach Farmer’s Market on Saturdays from 9am to 1pm. This is great for cruisers because all our products are made from fresh ingredients, packaged and frozen for convenience to store on your boat. Since we do not use plastics and cardbord boxes our meal items will not take up precious space in your galley. The Market is a few blocks down Center Street-walking distance from the marina. Come by and see what we have!
      Lauri Russell from My Personal Chef

      Click Here To View the Cruisers’ Net’s Eastern Florida Marina Directory Listing For Fernandina Harbor Marina

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    • New Downtown Wilmington, NC Marina Under Construction, Cape Fear River


      Port City Marina - Click for Chartview

      Port City Marina is currently under construction with a Grand Opening scheduled for summer 2013. This facility will be a WONDERFUL addition to the cruising scene, and will furnish more reason than ever for captains to leave the comfortable confines of the AICW, and journey upstream on the Cape Fear River to downtown Wilmington!
      For more information or to join the mailing list for updates, visit www.portcitymarina.com or call 910.251.6151.

      New Destination Marina on the North Carolina Coast
      Wilmington, North Carolina, December 11, 2012
      Wilmington, North Carolina is excited to welcome the Port City Marina.
      North Carolina based developer, USA InvestCo, recently announced plans to construct a 204-slip state-of-the-art marina located on the Cape Fear River in the heart of Downtown Wilmington, NC. The floating docks, which will accommodate boats up-to 130 feet in length, is scheduled to open in early summer 2013. The marina will provide all the amenities and conveniences of a modern marina including on-site restaurants, fuel, pump out, high-speed wireless internet, and customer-service orientated staff. Port City Marina will pride itself as being the first full-service marina located in the heart of a Historic Downtown in the mid-Atlantic.
      Within walking distance, Boaters will find a vibrant array of locally owned shops and restaurants, a thriving art and cultural scene, the Riverwalk and historic district, the USS North Carolina Battleship (open for tours), horse-drawn carriage rides, or the simple enjoyment of Wilmington’s great sunsets from the comfort of the boat. Wilmington offers a cosmopolitan scene or a retreat to the natural wonders. With over 30 miles of shoreline, the Wilmington area has access to 3 world-class beaches; Wrightsville, Carolina, and Kure, all a short drive away. For those who like to hit the links, Wilmington boasts some of the area’s most enjoyable and beautiful courses, challenging all levels of golfers. With convenient access to Wilmington International Airport (ILM), the marina expects a healthy transient & seasonal customer base to round-out the annual dockage from the local market.
      Consistently ranked as one of the East Coast’s top 10 cities to visit, Wilmington, North Carolina is where old world charm and the 21st Century meet to create a memorable experience for all ages. Wilmington is not just another marina stop on the way to a destination, Wilmington is THE destination.
      Amenities:
      § Located in the heart of Historic Downtown Wilmington
      § Only 5 Minutes from the Wilmington International Airport (ILM)
      § State-of-the-Art Floating Concrete Docks for Boats up to 250′ LOA
      § Drafts up to 25 Feet
      § On-Site Concierge Desk & Marina Store with ATM
      § Walking Distance To Shopping, Dinning & Entertainment
      § 2 Premier Bar/Restaurants On-Site
      § Future 10-story Indigo Hotel one block away
      § Fuel-Service Fuel Dock with Ethanol-Free Gasoline and High Speed Diesel
      § Metered Water & Electric Service (30, 50, & 100 amp; Single & Three Phase)
      § Free High-Speed WiFi
      § Daily/Weekly/Monthly/Seasonal/Annual Rates
      Larry Rizzo
      Port City Marina
      720 N. 3rd Street, Third Floor
      Wilmington, NC 28401
      P: 910.251.6151
      E: larryr@portcitymarina.com

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    • Fort Walton Beach Free Dock Closed, Gulf ICW, Mile 223, Fort Walton Beach, FL


      Fort Walton Free Dock - Click for Chartview

      The free dock in Ft Walton Beach is located between R6 and R8 on the north side of the ICW, just west of the Brook Bridge. The 3 deepest spots are on the SW corner of the dock, 1 being a lay along and the other 2 being the first two slips. Avoid blocking the pump out station as boaters do come to use it and then leave immediately.

      When True North came by the Fort Walton Beach free dock on the north side of the ICW today, it was closed due to heavy damage from either a boat ramming it or a structural failure. Parts of the face dock were hanging into the water. A mastless sailboat was pulled into a shoreside slip but a sign was posted that the dock was closed.
      Stay safe,
      Tom

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    • Shallow Depths Encountered at Field Yacht Club (Sarasota, FL – Statute Mile 71)

       Be sure to read all the remarks in both messages below before drawing any conclusions about the Field Yacht Club in southern Sarasota. As you will see, there are many positive attributes reported, but depths are clearly a problem at this facility for some vessels.
      I have had the good fortune to make presentations at the Field Club on many occasions over the years, and I have always been very impressed with the clubhouse and the greeting I received. As far as the wet slip dockage is concerned though, looks like it’s time for a dredging project!

      Yesterday we went into the SFC at mid-tide. We have a 50′ Ocean Alexander with a 4′ draft. They were expecting us. In the channel approaching them, our depth finder was reading .2!! We continued very slowly into the marina
      to our assigned slip. As we backed into the slip, we were churning up mud. We waited 3 hours for high tide and left. The marina had never warned us.
      Mark & Allyn Callahan

      After reading the above note, which originally appeared on the “GL” (Great Loop) Mail List, we e-mailed Captains Mar and Allyn, and asked for clarification as to whether the “SFC” was indeed the Field Yacht Club in southern Sarasota. We received the following affirmative reply:

      Yes it is the Field Yacht Club in Sarasota. A beautiful Club but for us the approach was very thin and the slip we got would have been a problem at dead low, which was in the morning when we would have had to leave. Don’t want to take anything away from the Club and they were great let us wait for the tide to come up and then we left, no charges for Electric or the slip. Very accommodating.
      Mark Callahan

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    • Controversial Martin County (Stuart, Florida) Anchorage Restrictions Approved by the Florida Department of Fish and Wildlife (FWC)

      On Wednesday, December 5, 2012, the Florida Fish and Wildlife Commission approved, with several modifications (see below), the proposed anchorage regulations for Martin County and Stuart, Florida. This is one of the five sites previously approved to take part in the Florida Pilot Mooring Field Program. As any of you familiar with this long, drawn-out process already know, the approved sites are given the right to regulate anchorage in their waters, IF AND ONLY IF THE REGULATIONS ARE APPROVED BY THE FWC!
      It is not stretching the truth at all to report that this particular set of regulations is the most controversial of the five sites participating in the pilot program, with the possible exception of St. Augustine’s 30-day anchoring limit, which was ultimately shot down by the FWC. The Salty Southeast Cruisers’ Net has published several previous articles on the proposed Martin County regulations (see /?p=100456).
      Now, with some FORTUNATE modification inserted by the FWC, these regulations have been approved, and will almost certainly go into effect shortly. ALL CRUISERS WHO EVER PLAN ON ANCHORING IN THE STUART, JENSEN BEACH REGION WILL WANT TO FOLLOW THE LINK BELOW, AND LEARN ALL THERE IS TO KNOW!

      Please visit:

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      After reading the verbiage linked above, the Salty Southeast Cruisers’ Net invites and encourages comments from the cruising community in regards to these new regulations. We will do all in our power to forward your thoughts to those who might make a difference in Martin County and the state of Florida! Follow the “Click Here to Submit Cruising News” link to the above right to quickly and easily register your reaction. Your words will be published as an addendum to this article!

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    • Good Words About the Downtown Fort Myers Waterfront (Caloosahatchee River/Okeechobee Waterway)

       Located at Mile Marker 135 on the Okeechobee Waterway, 15 miles inland from the Gulf of Mexico, Fort Myers Yacht Basin is a well designed and protected marina. It is owned and operated by the City of239 461-0775 Legacy Harbour Marina entrance is located on the Okeechobee Waterway East of Marker #49 on the Caloosahatchee River. The Marina is situated two blocks from historic downtown Fort Myers and three blocks from the historic Edison-Ford Winter Estates. The Marina's 131-Slips range in size from 40 feet to 80 feet and can accommodate Transient Boats of 100 feet plus. The large Fairways make our slips easily accessible. Our slips are surrounded by one of the largest 'floating breakwaters' on the Gulf of Mexico. The floating docks are state-of-the-art. Legacy Harbour Marina is a full-featured facility with all the modern conveniences of home including pump-out station, heated pool, fitness center, full electric metered at the slip, cable TV, laundry, air-conditioned showers and wireless Internet connections available. The Boaters' Lounge is available for relaxing after a cruise or for private parties. The view from the lounge is spectacular! Our grounds are beautifully manicured and provide great strolling along the river with benches, Chickee Hut, and excellent access to all of historic Fort Myers. Please take a few moments to browse our website and see for yourself what our beautiful boating facility can offer you the next time you are cruising in Southwest Florida.We have always found our visits to the downtown Fort Myers area to be absolutely delightful. With two quality marinas (BOTH Legacy Harbour Marina and City of Fort Myers Yacht Basin are SALTY SOUTHEAST CRUISERS’ NET SPONSORS!), a host of nearby dining attractions and a beautifully landscaped waterfront, what’s not to like!

      We were pleasantly surprised to see Fort Myers downtown waterfront area redeveloped into a first class entertainment destination. We ate
      dinner at Ford’s Garage, a restaurant with a 1920,s service station atmosphere from the Model ‘A’ up on a rack ready for an oil change to a rag rolled into a hose clamp as a napkin ring. Fort Myers is about 15 miles into the Okeechobee Waterway (a short side trip for loopers heading south to the keys.) There are two first class marinas. I prefer the Municipal Yacht Basin for short term and Legacy Harbor for longer stays.
      Alan Lloyd
      Author, Great Loop Navigation Notes
      http://www.NavigationNotes.com

      Click Here To View the Western Florida Cruisers’ Net Marina Directory Listing For Legacy Harbour Marina

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    • IMPORTANT – AICW Navigation Alert: More Groundings at Wrightsville Beach/SR 74 Bridge, Statute Mile 283.1, 12/5/12


      SR 74 Bridge - Click for Chartview

      With a closed vertical clearance of 20ft, and a very restrictive opening schedule, the Wrightsville Beach Bascule Bridge crosses the AICW at Statute Mile 283, southwest of marker #125. This is one of the most irksome spans on the entire North Carolina section of the AICW, and now we cruisers are going to have to contend with adjoining shallows north of the span!
      Note that the shoal described below, on the “green side” lies on the Waterway’s eastern flank, north of the Wrightsville Bridge. As Captain Hardy advises, ALL captains should be SURE to wait for a bridge opening in mid-channel, and make every effort to avoid a drift to the east. Otherwise, you WILL be giving the local Sea Tow captain some business!

      12/04/2012
      We ran aground at the bridge just north of the one mentioned here. We were racing the clock to be there on time, and being the only boat, the bridge tender did not open it for us, even though in the three minutes it took him to open the beige, we would have been in perfect position if he had started the opening at three. In backing out from the bridge, we ran aground on the east side. Worse than that, we ran aground again after going through the next bridge and hugging the shoreline to port coming around the corner to head for our night’s anchorage. didn’t bother looking at the chart; it seemed so simple, just stay close to the boats and head for green marker 23. Wrong! We ran up on the plainly marked shoal. this destroyed many years of boasting about almost never running aground, twice in one day!
      Beverly Feiges

      Cruising News:
      At least 4 boats we know went aground while waiting for the Wrightsville Beach bridge to open in the past few days. The shallow spot is on the green side when approaching the bridge from the north. There aren’t any markers at the shoal but boaters should stay in the center of the channel when waiting for the bridge.
      Harriet Hardy

      Giving other boaters a tip when traveling south at the wrightsville beach bridge’¦. stop in center of channel before you get along side the false palm tree north and East of the Bridge and before coming along side of Green marker to port also for those anchoring in Banks channel and you are heading south following the shore south to just passed the Coast Guard Station on your port turn starboard at red and green marker keeping it to starboard following the green markers to ICW and turning south at floating green marker you are now in ICW.
      Vance Neal

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    • Cruising the Western Florida Coastline With a 6-foot Draft

      The discussion below originally appeared on the T&T (Trawlers and Trawlering) mail list, which, by the way, is a nautical list WELL WORTH joining! We think there is sooooo much good info here about cruising the western coastline of the Sunshine State in a deeper draft vessel, we have reproduced the string here!

      With all of the available information out there, I would have thought that this question would be easy to answer on my own… but I really haven’t been able to figure this out.
      Our Selene draws six and is LOA 62. We are considering the possibility of a house purchase in the St. Pete to Naples area. Looks like a great area. So, we are planning a cruise up there from here in Key West for a week or so to check it out. Here’s the question: Where is it deep enough for our boat?
      I haven’t been able to ID any marinas that offer sufficiently deep entrances and reasonably easy/deep navigation routes from here in KW. This is enough of an issue for our little cruise; but, it also raises the issue of whether it is reasonable to own a boat like ours on the West Coast vs. the East Coast of FL. I know there are many fans of this area of the world on the list. Can any of you offer any encouragement on this point? Suggested routes/marinas?
      Thanks.
      Mike
      Mike Curreri
      M/V Blue Grotto

      Mike
      You might want to check out Punta Gorda. It is easily accessed through Boca Grande Pass and Charlotte Harbor. Fisherman’s Village Marina indicates a 7.5 ft approach at MLW and at least that at some of the docks. See www.fishville.com Winter low tides and strong North winds can make this less.
      Punta Gorda has a large collection of canals, a good portion are considered “sailboat” water which should accommodate your boat, but like all of the other deeper draft vessels, you likely would need to play the tides. A lot of us here enjoy having our boats in our back yards.
      Good Luck
      Chris

      Personal opinion, 6 feet draft is perfectly fine for FL West Coast. I have traversed from Ft Myers to Anclote with my boat, 5’3″ draft and have never bumped while inside the ICW channel. I have also done a delivery of an Irwin 65 with 6′ draft from St Pete to Miami (via Key West) with no draft issues. Many if not most marinas also can accomodate your draft. To name a few St Pete muni, Harborside, Gulfport (6’6″ depth) Twin Dolphin, Regatta Point, Rivera Dunes, Clearwater muni, Tierra Verde.
      One thing you will have to watch out for is sand bars stretching out to sea, sometimes for over a mile, from each and every pass. Come on up, the water is fine…
      Joel Wilkins
      m/s Miss Magoo
      Columbia 45

      Mike,
      Winter in Florida is when tides tend to be lower and water shallower. Tides on the gulf coast of western Florida are diurnal; one high tide per day, mostly in the mid-to-late afternoon. The pattern does vary slightly with new and full moon cycles. Western Florida is a shelf; not deep water. Most of south and west of Florida is “OK” – but not flush – for 6ft draft. There are some exceptions.
      When in Naples, research carefully the old ICW between Naples and Marco, through Goodland. The last time I mentioned that stretch – from Doctor’s Pass to Rookery Bay – I was told it I was nuts and it was fine. But, we’ve grounded in there with 4ft draft, so caveat emptor.
      You will not be able to do Coon Key Pass without significant anxiety; all of the north of Gullivan Bay entering Coon Key Pass is charted at 5 ft.. Definitely, do that at high high tide.
      The Baron River to Everglades City is doable. Depths on the last mile approach into Everglades City will get to less than 6′, but if you go in and out at high tide, you’ll have no problems. Don’t do early day departures from EC. No problem cruising most of the 10,000 Islands.
      You will not be able to do the “Yacht Channel” through Florida Bay without significant anxiety, if at all. There is almost no tide in Florida Bay; less than 6 inches. Not enough to help. Prolonged winds can affect water levels a lot in Florida Bay. Stay outside around the bottom; run the Hawk Channel. Come it to overnight at Channel 5, or at the 7-Mile bridge. From Marathon, use the 7-Mile Bridge to come north.
      You will be able to enjoy Ft. Myers beach, Ft. Myers and the Caloosahatchee. In the fall, and most springs, you’ll be able to cross Lake O between Ft. Myers and Stuart. Charlotte Harbor is fine. The ICW from Sanibel to Tampa to Tarpon is fine. Research the armpit (Great Bend) very carefully, especially in winter. The Panhandle is fine except for Government Cut at Apalachicola. There, play the tides.
      The West Coast is much, much better cruising than the East Coast. On the east coast, you have miles and miles of very wide river and very narrow channel. You can’t see much, and it’s boring. Southeast Florida is the concrete ditch. From Biscayne Bay around to Tampa/Tarpon, it’s a different world; a cruisers paradise!
      Hope this is useful.
      Jim
      Peg and Jim Healy aboard Sanctuary

      I agree with almost everything that Jim Healy says about cruising the left coast of Florida. We lived in Clearwater for over 50 years and it was a beautiful place to grow up and a great boating venue. However, Jim is mistaken about only one high tide per day. Take a look atbthemtide tables and you will see two highs and two lows almost every day.
      Regards,
      Randy Pickelmann
      Morning Star lying Sunset Bay Marina, Stuart, Fl

      We live in Naples and keep our boat at the Naples City Dock. Our boat draws almost 6ft. We have no issues at the dock or the associated moorings. We also go into Big Marco Pass, which I wouldn’t do at a real low tide. When going into Big Marco, we typically turn north and enjoy the anchorage listed on this site in Johnson Bay.
      I wouldn’t take the channel from Marco to Naples, you have to go outside, which is almost always a pleasurable sail. Coming into Naples (Gordon River) stay on the south side. I usually come in between the first and second red markers.
      From Key West or from Marathon, it is a pretty easy run to Marco or Naples. I would recommend going from Key West to Marathon, then from Marathon north to Cape Sable. This time of year, the winds are typically North to East, so you will be in the lee of Florida at that point and it is a fairly easy sail from there.
      George
      s/v John Galt T37

      Claiborne:

      You are quite right about the value of this T&T Listserve. It is a fantastic resource.
      Regarding this question, I also received many responses to this inquiry directly. Ultimately, the first trip will be:
      Key West to Punta Gorda, staying at Fisherman’s Village Yacht Basin.
      Punta Gorda to Fort Myers, staying at Legacy Harbour Marina.
      Fort Myers to Palmetto, staying at Riviera Dunes Marina Resort.
      Palmetto to St. Petersburg, staying at St. Petersburg Municipal Marina.
      St. Pete to Key West.
      Mike Curreri

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    • Report from Caledesi Island State Park Marina, north of Dunedin, FL

      Caladesi Island Marina – Click for Chartview

      As I recall, the entrance channel leading to Caladesi Island State Park Marina (from Hurricane Pass) can be a bit of a challenge for first timers, but otherwise, this is a pretty good facility for those who just want to get away from the maddening crowd. It lies just north of the Dunedin and the Honeymoon Island Bridge

      Caladesi is located immediately north of Clearwater Beach. The beach is still great for shellers, especially near the northern end. Dockage is $1/ft at a slip, $2/ft on a t-dock; 30 amp elec. and water included. 24/7 bathrooms on shore, and a snack bar. Florida senior citizens (65+) pay half. Limit is 14 days, but you can contact them and offer to be a volunteer: free dockage in exchange for 20 hr/wk easy labor. For example we met someone who’s job was to pick up any trash (rare) on the beach. She would carry two bags; one for trash, one for shells.
      There are signs that say “watch out for rattlesnakes” but we haven’t seen any. We have seen lots of armadillos, some raccoons, numerous types of birds, gopher tortoises, and very few people.
      The channel is shallow in places, but marked and doable for our 4’6″ draft. A great place to visit. Chosen twice by “Dr. Beach” as the best beach in the country.
      Wade Ehlen
      MT 36 Shady Lady
      New Bern NC

      Wade is spot on about Caladesi Island. It was one of our favorite weekend spots since it was so close to home yet so far away. The beach is absolutely beautiful.
      But Wade, the rattlesnakes are there, although they tend to be in the wooded areas. There used to be a skin mounted on the wall in the rangers office that must be 6′ long. We have seen them that big in the winter, warming themselves in
      a sunny spot on the nature trails.
      Regards,
      Randy Pickelmann
      Morning Star

      When we were in Caladesi last year we caught a line in the prop while in the marina so my husband hopped over to free it. About five minutes after he was back on board a rattlesnake swam by on its way over to the mangroves. We were glad we hadn’t seen it before freeing the line because we might have left the line in the prop rather than risk swimming with the snake. The next day, we also watched as a ranger chased one off the park’s work boat. Still, if you leave them alone, they’ll leave you alone. And Caladesi is so beautiful its worth the stop, even with the snakes!
      Paige Caldwell

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    • “Sailorman” Highly Recommended, Ft. Lauderdale, FL

      As many of you already know, this is a fascinating place to visit – a great way to spend a rainy afternoon!

      If you want a great [marine] Flea Market, look at Sailorman. You can spend a whole day ogling their good stuff. Google the word Sailorman and you will get their website.
      Their address is:
      350 SE 24th St. (aka State Road 84)
      Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33316
      Sailorman’s waypoints: 26.05.55 N, 80.08.36 W
      Cheers,
      Ken Bloomfield
      m/v Tellico Lady

      Right next to the biggest West Marine store in the corporation (I think).
      Jim Ward

      I am looking for a nice set of navigation lights for a 50′ boat. In the past I have purchased things from your consignment deals and hope you have something that would work for me. I will be in Florida for the next two weeks so let me know if you have something that I should look at.I am from Toronto Canada and have dealt with Chuck in the past.
      Thanks
      Rolf

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    • Pelican Bay Anchorages (hard by Cayo Costa Island/State Park), Western Florida ICW Statute Mile 25

      Like Captains Mary and Jerry, we just love anchoring in Pelican Bay,and then dinghying ashore to unspoiled Cayo Costa. Thanks to its being a Florida state park, this barrier island remains almost entirely in its natural state. Hiking across to the ocean side, particularly at sunset, is one of the greatest experiences the western coastline of the Sunshine State has to offer.Unfortunately, the rub is that there is an entrance bar, which, at low tide, carries only about 4 1/2 feet of water. Some local cruisers have told me they have found a deeper route, which will hold 5 feet at MLW.And, in this regard, there is a GREAT You-Tube video giving SOLID ADVICE about entering Pelican Bay, available at:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA9VUGwSXIEYou might also want to check out a string of earlier messages here on the Cruisers’ Net concerning how best to enter this series of anchorages:/?p=914Anyway, check out the message below to read one more glowing opinion about the wonderful qualities of anchoring on Pelican Bay!Pelican Bay at Cayo Costa is the best anchorage on the west side of Florida – hands down. We have been in there on a holiday weekend when there were 70 boats and everyone was on a single anchor with plenty of swing room. Easy dinghy ride to Cabbage Key for a ‘cheeseburger in paradise’.Marty & Jerry RichardsonWe are there now and can see why the west coast is Jim’s favorite. We anchored last night at the best anchorage on the West Coast. Even [cruisers] adverse to anchoring out should give Cayo Costa a try. There is more than ample room to swing on one hook. There were 18 boats anchored last night enjoying a full moon and a romantic sunrise. Cayo Costa Island is a state park. We dinghied to the dock and walked 3/4 mile across the desert island to the gulf side beach. (There is a regular tram service and bikes for rent, but we preferred to walk ). We had the whole beach to ourselves! Access Fee is $2.00pp. Don’t pass this anchorage! Oh, by the way, there is also a floating dock where you may tie up overnight for $20.Alan LloydAuthor, Great Loop Navigation Noteshttp://www.NavigationNotes.com Eyeball method into PBay is a line from R74 to the entrance sign leaving sign to Starboard; then along the sand spit. Start aiming for the park dock once you are about halfway down the spit.Or if you must-plug these into your GPS to route yourself into PBay.A: 26 41.940N 82 14.208WB: 26 41.745N 82 14.525WC: 26 41.600N 82 14,600WD: 26 41.100N 82 14.600WE: 26 40.900N 82.14 (40°54N / 082°8.4W).400WF: 26 40.950N 82 14.200WG: 26 41.100N 82 14.250There is small power boat access out the south with local knowledge (uses part of the Punta Blanca channel) ‘“ Watch the ferry. Above will get you in (for 5’ or less) on all but an extreme winter low. There are a couple of bars so don’t freak if you think you’re in but start losing depth again. If you are coming from the south you can turn onto the A-B leg close to B. Start cheating about G71 and aim for a point to the right of B. If the depths get scary jog right until you are comfortable. Turn onto the track when you get to it. Once inside the chart is petty good at identifying the deeper areas. Standard rules apply- if there are a lot of boats in the anchorage and no one is anchored in what looks like a choice spot there is probably a shallow reason. You want to be surprisingly close to the beach from B to C. There is a nice hole around ‘˜E’ and we usually anchor there in about 8-9′. E-F can be a problematic stretch so exercise care. You may stir more mud than you want.KimWe’ve anchored here on 4 occasions and each time we enter and exit from the north Pelican Pass inlet. We stay as close to the north beach as possible as this is where the deepest water is at the entrance channel. Once inside Cayo Costa you’ll find two pools with 8 to 9 foot depths with the balance being between 5 to 6 feet or so. There are some shallow areas but it is all manageable.Jim FavorsKismetOn Pelican Bay entrance. R 74 is now a nun, not a daymark.Bill DixonClick Here To View the Western Florida Cruisers’ Net Anchorage Directory Listing For Pelican Bay Outer AnchorageClick Here To View the Western Florida Cruisers’ Net Marina Directory Listing For Pelican Bay Park Service Dock AnchorageClick Here To View the Western Florida Cruisers’ Net Marina Directory Listing For Pelican Bay – Punta Blanca Island AnchorageClick Here To Open A Chart View Window, Zoomed To the Location of Pelican Bay

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    • Peck Lake Anchorage (Statute Mile 992)

       I can tell you from extensive, personal experience, Peck Lake Anchorage is wonderful, IF you can clear the shallow bar that lies between the AICW channel and the deeper waters to the east. The best spot to transit the bar varies, but we have held as much as 6 feet MLW, and at other times, these soundings have shrunk to 4 feet at low tide.
      Once you get the hook down, dinghy ashore and walk the short distance to the totally unspoiled beach. This is a wonderful place to while away a warm, lazy afternoon!!!!

      5 miles or so south of the St.Lucie inlet the ICW widens to a decent anchorage. It is undeveloped except for a dinghy dock. 100 yds beyond the dock is a very nice beach ( Jonathan Dickenson State Park)
      Peter.Denton
      SusieQ

      I’ve been here several times, but it would be most helpful to know the exact entry point off the ICW to get into this anchorage. I’ve always depended on the kindness of those in this anchorage before me to guide me in due to the challenge of finding the ‘˜sweet spot’ to get over that bar’¦and passed it by on those occasions when some braver soul had not already ‘˜done the deed’ before me. Hints anyone?
      Wally Moran

      Click Here To View the Eastern Florida Cruisers’ Net Anchorage Directory Listing For the Peck Lake Anchorage

      Click Here To Open A Chart View Window, Zoomed To the Location of the Peck Lake Anchorage

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