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    • Anchoring on Okeechobee Waterway Issue Heats Up Again

      Back on 6/30/11, we published a series of reports by fellow cruisers which related what seemed to be a new policy on the part of the US Army Corps of Engineers that vessels could no anchor for longer than 24 hours on the Okeechobee Waterway (see /?p=61289). Repeated inquiries by both the SSECN, and our friend, Captain Chuck Baier, reporting for MarinaLife, led to a series of denials from the USCAE office in Clewiston.
      Now, here we are in mid-2012, and, as you will see below, this nasty issue has once again reared its ugly head. We are attempting to get clarification, but in the meantime, cruisers should be aware that they might be ticketed for dropping the hook for longer than 24 hours along the Okeechobee Waterway, between the St. Lucie and W. F. Franklin Locks!
      If ANYONE has more information about this perplexing situation, PLEASE click the “Comment on This Posting/Marina/Anchorage/Bridge” link below, and share your information.

      Cruising News:
      Hi all,
      we are a foreign flag vessel with a valid cruising licsense. And were approached 2 days ago by an officer from the corps of engineers, and told that boaters are no longer allowed to anchor in the Okeechobee waterway for more than one night, after which they must leave the officers jurysdiction (Franklin lock to St. Lucie Lock) or move on to a marina. Remaining unconvinced by this officers explanation we emailed the corps HQ and have now received written confirmation that the corps view the waterway only as a means to transit one side to the other and that anyone staying longer than “overnight” will be given a ticket/citation.
      Has anyone any thoughts to share?
      A Non For Now

      What is the deal with anchoring in the Caloosahatchee river? I have heard that the core of enginers are harassing boaters.
      Steve Largent

      Several months back we reported that boaters were receiving citations from the Corps of Engineers for anchoring along the Okeechobee Waterway. At that time we never received an adequate answer from the South Florida Operations Office as to whether this was common practice. Now once again we are receiving reports that boaters are being told by Corps of Engineers patrol boats that anyone anchoring for more than 24 hours will be given a citation. You must move to a marina or on to the next jurisdiction and not just a short distance to satisfy the requirements. We would suggest that if anyone would like to get details or voice any concerns, that you contact the South Florida Operations Office at (863) 983-8101.
      Chuck Baier
      MarinaLife

      And, from our friendly competitors at “Waterway Guide:”

      Many boats cruising the Okeechobee Waterway have been confused by what might seem to be new anchoring limits being enforced by the US Army Corps of Engineers. According to Robert Schnell, Assistant Chief, South Florida Operations, officers have been instructed to enforce a “one-night-only” policy for anchoring, and have told the boaters that they must continue down the waterway or find a marina or other facility.
      According to Schnell, the policy has been around since 2000: “Title 36 – Rules and Regulations Governing Public Use of Corps of Engineers Water Resources Development Projects, Section 327.3 – Vessels,” specifically the two sections below:

      327.3(f) Unless otherwise permitted by Federal, state or local law, vessels or other watercraft, while moored in commercial facilities, community or corporate docks, or at any fixed or permanent mooring point, may only be used for overnight occupancy when such use is incidental to recreational boating. Vessels or other watercraft are not to be used as a place of habitation or residence.

      327.3(h) Vessels shall not be attached or anchored to structures such as locks, dams, buoys or other structures unless authorized by the District Commander. All vessels when not in actual use shall be removed from project lands and waters unless securely moored or stored at designated areas approved by the District Commander. The placing of floating or stationary mooring facilities on, adjacent to, or interfering with a buoy, channel marker or other navigational aid is prohibited.

      The Corps South Florida Operations’ interpretation of these rules greatly overstep the verbiage, in my opinion:

      – Anchoring in state and federal waters is “otherwise permitted”
      – Anchoring in a river, lake or oxbow does not qualify as “in commercial facilities
      – Overnight occupancy is incidental to recreational boating
      – A vessel occupied at anchor is “in actual use”

      I contacted the Corps in other areas to understand their local policies and get their interpretations of Title 36. Similar Corps projects on the inland waterways do not limit anchoring to one night, although lengthy stays are discouraged. Some areas have policies specific to their recreation area, but these are not covered in Title 36.
      Waterway Guide’s Southern Edition 2012 does not mention anchoring limits along the Okeechobee Waterway, but we will update it in the next printing, if applicable. Meanwhile, expect to be asked to “move along” after anchoring along the Okeechobee Waterway, or risk a citation and fine, at least until this Corps office gets its policy straight.
      -Mike Ahart,
      News Editor,
      Waterway Guide

      During the week of June 11, 2012, I saw Gov. Rick Scott visiting Roland Martin Marina talking about jobs for Central Florida. I suggest everyone writing the Gov to inform him why OUR river is not the recreation paradise it should be. The ACOE must be brought under control. Recreational boaters must wait for commercial or coast guard boats to pass through the lock `if they WISH’ to go through alone!!! This can result in HOURS of delay and resultant safety hazard for us regular people.
      I also propose a `green’ project that you might write about. It involves removing the sugar cane train bridge which limits vessel height to 49 feet. Recycle the rusty iron. Remove the tilt open railroad bridge from Ft. Myers which has been abandoned for years in the open position. Sand blast, paint and reinstall, replacing the sugar cane train bridge. This allows sailboats to pass from East to West coasts! It would also eliminate the continual obstruction to vessel passage when subject bridge breaks down in the lowered position allowing only 7 feet of clearance! This is good for Florida recreation, good for jobs in central Florida and a move forward.
      Steven R. Crane

      Tickets are still being issued. This was a day after the tropical storm came through.
      Steve Largent [9/1/2012]

      We transited the Okeechobee WW this spring [2012] and anchored on the offshoot north and east of the Moore Haven lock, which is shown on cruising guides as a good anchorage. Our sailboat was parallel to the east side and well out of the channel, off of the Waterway itself. A local marine patrol officer came by and said we were blocking the waterway and would have to move. He said that this area would be full of boats early in the morning. He suggested we tie up to the barge dolphins, which we did, not wanting to risk a ticket. However, this would seem to violate the proscription against attaching the boat to structures without permission from the COE. By the way, early the next morning, we saw one, count ‘˜em, one, boat on the waterway.
      Unknown

      Copy the regulations from the thread above and keep on your boat. If you are dealing with an officer, note the persons name and what agency he is working for. Next, ask the regulation that he thinks you are violation because you have a copy of all that you think apply, on board and you dont think you are violating them. So, maybe there is a new one that you do not have. Offer the officer a copy or offer to let him read yours with the comments included. If a vessel is anchored it is in operation is a good point. If you are on a mooring or at a dock, you may be living there. The laws are obviously intended to shoo away liveaboards. If you are on vacation maybe telling the officer you are trying to enjoy Florida tourism would help. You should feel free to send letters (yes mail) to State tourism offices and copy the Governor. Florida is interested in tourism and jobs, especially in the central part.
      Now, look up every lock on the waterway and find out who is in charge. Send them a letter and ask what their policy is in their area. There is nothing in the laws stated in this thread that allows authorities to limit anchoring to any specific number of days. Do not let bureaucrats invent their own laws. Exceeding their authority allows you to contact the state attorney and file breach of peace. Enjoy your cruise.
      Steve Crane

      I got a ticket from a park ranger from the Franklin lock. The name is Phil Hart. I was anchored but he wrote it that I was moored ( lie 1 ) for more than 12 days ( lie 2 ) There is a free dock in La belle you can stay at for 3 day and off for 8 days. This I did 3 on 8 off for sometime. This guy knew this, but lied anyway. I have the dock masters and a sign in sheet to back this up.
      The FWC states that all surface water in the state is Fl. water, and the 2009 law says we can anchor anywere in state waters. This guy told me that the Okeechobee is federal water. Any lawyers looking for a case??
      Russell

      While I was doing research for an admiralty case against the Florida Pilot Program for Anchoring’¦..which is completely different than the issue with the corps’¦.I found this interesting statement regarding exactly who regulates the surface waters of Florida.

      http://www.staugustinegovernment.com/the-city/featured-stories-archive/9_06/stormwater.cfm

      The second paragraph advises exactly who regulates these waters. The state of Florida is not on the list ‘¦except for pollution control. This action by the corps on the Okeechobee may be inconvenient , but it actually supports our case against the state’s pilot program ie. the only authority who can regulate anchoring is the Corps itself’¦if they see fit’¦not any state alone’¦not on the ICW or the tidal tributaries that lead into it. Please keeps us informed. If it makes you feel any better, this will literally help us defeat the state program which is far, far more restrictive on recreational boaters.
      sandy flowers

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    • New Source of Information on St. Augustine Inlet, AICW Statute Mile 775.5

      Here’s a site that covers Vilano Beach, Old St. Augustine and St. Augustine Beach with up to the minute information on the area and especially the Inlet.

      Cruising News:
      TUNE INTO PORTOFSTAUGUSTINE.COM FOR THE MOST UP TO DATE NEWS ON THE INLET. AERIAL VIEWS ARE ON THE WAY FOR EVERY CRUISER TO SEE FOR HIMSELF. MAKE SURE YOU CHECK OUT OUR NEW CRUISER’S BAY AT THE INLET…..ALL INCLUSIVE CRUISER’S RESORT! ST AUGUSTINE IS THE HOTTEST CRUISING DESTINATION ON THE EAST COAST. LOOK FOR THE NEW SHUTTLE AND WATER TAXI.
      Sandy Flowers
      Port of St. Augustine

      Cruising News:
      Subject: St. Augustine inlet map/chart w/gps
      We’ve just posted a current (for now) chart/map for the St. Augustine Inlet. VERY helpful to boaters. Check it out on www.portofstaugustine.com
      Doreen

      Click Here To Open A Chart View Window, Zoomed To the Location of St. Augustine Inlet

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    • Good News and New Ownership at Fort McAllister Marina (on the Ogeechee River, off the AICW at St. M. 603.5)

      We are very pleased to report that we have just heard from Captain Butch Broome, new owner at Georgia’s Fort McAllister Marina. Captain Broome has taken over what has already been lauded here on the Cruiser’ Net by our fellow mariners as a very good marina, and is quickly making it even better.
      Fort McAllister Marina has always offered very sheltered dockage, and a few years ago the docks were completely rebuilt and brought up to modern standards. There is also a good restaurant on-site.
      Before now, the “rub” was getting up the Ogeechee River safely from the AICW. Some FORMER owners were not overly careful to keep the river channel well marked. THAT HAS ALL CHANGED NOW!
      Study the Google Map/Satellite Photo below, just dispatched to the Cruisers’ Net by Captain Broome. As you will see, the Ogeechee River now sports a very adequate series of aids to navigation.
      And, if that does not quite put you at navigational ease, the marina will gladly dispatch a guide boat that you can follow from the channel to the marina docks. Just give the dockmasters an advance call at (912) 727-2632.
      Oh yes, and I should also add that, as of 10/16/12, Fort McAllister Marina is our newest SALTY SOUTHEAST CRUISERS’ NET SPONSOR!

      Attached is our chart. At Green 8 there is a Marina sign with an arrow pointing to the south bank of the Ogeechee, DO NOT pass the sign just turn 226 degrees, you will see Green 9 and Reds 3 & 4. There is also a day Marker in the Marsh on the south side. Pretty easy once you’ve done it.
      For first timers we’ll be more than happy to dispatch a guide a boat to lead you to our facility, just give us a call when you get to Marker 98 at 912-727-2632, my cell is 912-313-5042. We also monitor channel 16 and our working channel is 68.
      Thanks
      Butch

      Click Here To View the Georiga Cruisers’ Net Marina Directory Listing For Fort McAllister Marina

      Click Here To Open A Chart View Window, Zoomed To the Location of Fort McAllister Marina

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    • More Praise for Sunbury Crab Company Restaurant and Marina, Medway River off AICW Statute Mile 620

       Panoramic View of the Sunbury Harbor Relaxed Laid-Back Atmosphere Fresh Steamed Blue Crabs caught Daily Homemade Crab Cakes and Crab StewRestaurant offers a Full-Service BarSunday Home-Cooking LunchThe Sunbury Crab Company Marina lies off the AICW along the western shores of the Medway River, on the charted Sunbury Channel, north of Dickinson Creek. And they are A SALTY SOUTHEAST CRUISERS’ NET SPONSOR!

      Warm Hospitality With A Tropical Ambiance.
      Sunbury Crab Company Restaurant and Marina just 6 miles off the AICW at MM 620 on the Medway River provides a safe haven and memorable dinning experience. A convenient overnight stop for the waterway traveller or a pleasant place to tarry awhile. The deep water approach on the Medway River is straight forward as long as the chart is studied before hand.
      Family owned and operated the restaurant is open Wednesday through Sunday. The layout and colored lights are reminiscent of the islands. A varied menu, but dependent on season, the locally freshly caught shrimp, oysters, fish and crab are outstanding. All dishes are cooked to order and the menu moderately priced. Live music on occasion.
      Floating docks, running in line with the current flow, are wide, stable and supported by tall pilings. Water and electric pedestals allow for dockage for up to 12 boats in the 40 foot range. Diesel fuel and ethnol free gasoline is available dockside. No pump out facility at this time. Head and shower facilities are available ashore.
      This is much more than just another marina stop as the Maley family, Elaine, Barney and sons Joe and Clay offer a most friendly, helpful welcome to fellow sailors.
      The shrimp boat, SEA TRAWLER, Captain Dennis Murphy, regularly docks here to unload his daily catch. These delicious freshly caught shrimp are available for sale.
      Colin Day, Jean Henderson . Trawler: LILY MARIA.

      Click Here To View the Cruisers’ Net’s Georgia Marina Directory Listing For Sunbury Crab Company

      Click Here To Open A Chart View Window, Zoomed To the Location of Sunbury Crab Company

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    • Information on Naples Bay and Gordon Pass, Southwestern Florida Coastline

      Gordon Pass - Click for Chartview

      Gordon Pass is the primary inlet serving the Naples, Florida region. This cut has to be dredged every so often, but, as will read below, depths do not seem to be a problem here at the moment.
      According to our experience, Captains Bruce and Susan are correct about depths not being a problem inside Naples Bay, leading to the primary Naples waterfront, and its two FCYC Yacht Clubs, the Naples City Pier and the Naples Boat Club.
      We would also second the notion expressed below about the two more northerly inlets, Doctors Pass and Wiggins Pass being very much subject to shoaling!

      I noted several references to shallow water in Naples. There are no shallow water issues involved with Naples Bay accessed through Gordon Pass. Naples Bay is where the marinas, yacht clubs, restaurants, shopping, tour boats and large pleasure craft are located. You will not see less than ten feet of water in the channel, even at low tide.
      There are two other Naples passes located further north, Doctors Pass and Wiggins Pass. These passes lead to shallow bays that do not connect to Naples Bay. The passes experience shoaling and are dredged every few years. They are used by mostly smaller boats than used on the Loop.
      Bruce and Susan Armstrong

      Click Here To View the Eastern Western Cruisers’ Net Marina Directory Listing For Naples City Pier

      Click Here To View the Eastern Western Cruisers’ Net Marina Directory Listing For Naples Yacht Club

      Click Here To View the Eastern Western Cruisers’ Net Marina Directory Listing For Naples Sailing and Yacht Club

      Click Here To View the Eastern Western Cruisers’ Net Marina Directory Listing For Naples Boat Club

      Click Here To Open A Chart View Window, Zoomed To the Location of Gordon Pass

      Click Here To Open A Chart View Window, Zoomed To the Naples Waterfront

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    • More Good Words for Legacy Harbour Marina (Fort Myers Waterfront, on the Okeechobee Waterway)

      239 461-0775 Legacy Harbour Marina entrance is located on the Okeechobee Waterway East of Marker #49 on the Caloosahatchee River. The Marina is situated two blocks from historic downtown Fort Myers and three blocks from the historic Edison-Ford Winter Estates. The Marina's 131-Slips range in size from 40 feet to 80 feet and can accommodate Transient Boats of 100 feet plus. The large Fairways make our slips easily accessible. Our slips are surrounded by one of the largest 'floating breakwaters' on the Gulf of Mexico. The floating docks are state-of-the-art. Legacy Harbour Marina is a full-featured facility with all the modern conveniences of home including pump-out station, heated pool, fitness center, full electric metered at the slip, cable TV, laundry, air-conditioned showers and wireless Internet connections available. The Boaters' Lounge is available for relaxing after a cruise or for private parties. The view from the lounge is spectacular! Our grounds are beautifully manicured and provide great strolling along the river with benches, Chickee Hut, and excellent access to all of historic Fort Myers. Please take a few moments to browse our website and see for yourself what our beautiful boating facility can offer you the next time you are cruising in Southwest Florida.Well, of course, Legacy Harbour Marina is a SALTY SOUTHEAST CRUISERS’ NET SPONSOR!!!

      Five Stars for Legacy Harbour and Cap’t Eric (Harbormaster) and his team. Always there to help you dock and to ensure your stay is what you expect. Cap’t Eric is a good source for referrals for yacht services that you may require during your stay and yacht maintenance if you need to leave your boat for an extended period of time. Historic Downtown Fort Myers with a variety of restaurants/entertainment venues and grocery store within walking distance add to the enjoyment of this location. You can enjoy a walk or bike ride down the palm lined streets and a tour of the Edison/Ford Estates.
      Bob Long

      Click Here To View the Cruisers’ Net’s Western Florida Marina Directory Listing For Legacy Harbour Marina

      Click Here To Open A Chart View Window, Zoomed To the Location of Legacy Harbour Marina

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    • Operating Times of Okeechobee Waterway Locks Change

      Our “man in the know” in Stuart, Florida, Captain Ted Guy, has just informed the Cruisers’ Net that the operating hours of all five locks on the Okeechobee Waterway are being changed November 13, 2012. Beginning on 11/13/12, the Okeechobee locks will be operating from 7:00 am to 7:00 pm, seven days a week. These five locks and their positions are:

      St. Lucie Lock – Mile 15.1
      Port Mayaca Lock – Mile 39
      Moore Haven Lock – Mile 78
      Ortona Lock – Mile 93.5
      W.P. Franklin – Mile 121.4

      Note that “Statute Mile” markers run east to west (from Stuart, FL to Fort Myers, FL) on the Okeechobee Waterway.

      In a Press Release from the US Army Corps of Engineer’s, Lt. Col. Tom Greco, Jacksonville District Deputy Commander for South Florida, states, in part:

      “These changes are part of a civil works transformation process that will allow the Corps to deliver the best possible products and services to the nation. The objective of Civil Works transformation is to shape a sustainable portfolio of water resources infrastructure for the nation’s future.”

      OK, so listen up all of you out there planning to make use of the very useful Okeechobee Waterway. No transiting the locks before 7:00 am, or after 7:00 pm. Otherwise, it’s business as usual on the Okeechobee Waterway!

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    • More on the Portsmouth, VA Docking Situation

      Mile Marker 0 is a full-service marine supply business at One High Street Landing in Portsmouth VAIn an earlier, MUCH READ posting here on the Cruisers’ Net, we reported about an unfortunate situation that has developed on the Portsmouth, VA downtown waterfront, whereby the city has erected signs which seem to preclude overnight dockage (see /?p=98289). Captain Bob McBride, proprietor of SALTY SOUTHEAST CRUISERS’ NET SPONSOR, Mile Marker 0 Marine Supply, reports that these regulations are NOT being enforced, but this situation has still had a serious effect on his business, as well as any number of other firms operating near the downtown waterfront.
      Now, Captain Bob has sent us a photo, pictured here. He comments on this pic:

      The couple on the boat will verify that he [the police officer] said the signs were coming down but was not sure. he also helped them tie up and said to stay as long as they wanted.
      Bob

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    • Passage Report from Little Mud River, AICW Problem Stretch, Statute Mile 655

      Little Mud River is almost universally acknowledged to be the worst section of the entire AICW run from Norfolk, VA to Miami, FL. This “AICW Problem Stretch” lies some 21 statute miles north of Brunswick, Georgia. Earlier depth soundings from other cruisers have confirmed our recommendation to navigate this stretch at mid to high tide only.

      Traveling on 10/1-7/12
      From Georgetown, SC to Brunswick, Ga.
      We traveled this past week with high tides between 10:00 AM and 2:30 PM. Most times leaving at 7:30 AM an hour or so after Low Tide. There were no problems with depths, shoaling, or missing markers.
      The ONLY issue we found was in Little Mud River (MM-653 – 655) at 2.5 hours before high tide. At the very Southern end, after leaving R-194 the current wanted to push toward G-195, which looked ok, but NOT. Very shallow as you near G-195. You want to FAVOR the front range marker not center of channel. This will keep the depth around 8′ under the boat. This is what we experienced, as always you are the Captain and responsible for your vessel’s safety.
      Jim Cobb
      Palmetto Moon

      Yesterday, October 11, 2012, we went by the Darien and Rockedundy Rivers and through the Little Mud River at almost exactly mid-tide (by the clock ‘“ about 20 minutes either side of noon). I zig-zagged all over and mostly found 7-8′ or more, but it can be really narrow. (I verified my depth sounder readings with a lead line today). I did not find a hump between R `192’³ and G `193’³ at the little creek as I have seen in the past. The shallowest portion I found was south of G `193’³ and it was down to 6’ in a couple places. Staying on the range, I found plenty of water past `195’³. Your experience may vary ‘“ this is good practice for the Bahamas!
      Dana Breda

      Click Here To View the Cruisers’ Net’s “AICW Problem Stretches” Listing For Little Mud River

      Click Here To Open A Chart View Window, Zoomed To This AICW Problem Stretch

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    • Report from North Edisto River Inlet, well off the AICW, south of Charleston, SC


      North Edisto River Entrance - Click for Chartview

      The AICW intersects the North Edisto River at Statute Mile 497. You must abandon the Waterway and cruise downstream some 8.5 nautical miles to reach this river’s inlet.

      Cruising News:
      I recently transited the North Edisto R inlet from West to East.
      Both R-6 and R-4 as shown on Chart #11522 are missing. R-2NE is in the position as shown.
      I favored G-9 off Deveaux Bank going thru the deepest water of the middle bank thru the old position of R-6 and on to R-2NE at mid high tide with nothing less than 13′. Ebb tide with NW 10k winds.
      65′ MV draft 5-5′
      Ray Cope

      UPDATE – October 10, 2012, we just received the report below from Capt. Rob Bessinger and have consequently rescinded our Navigation Alert for these waters.

      According to USCG Local Notice to Mariners, Distrcit 7, Week 40/12 [the first week of October], Chart 11522, the North Edisto River Entrance Lighted Buoy 6 (R6) is fixed and has status of “Watching Properly”
      Rob

      Click Here To Open A Chart View Window, Zoomed To the Location of North Edisto River Inlet

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