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    • Goat Island Anchorage (Pasquotank River, Statute Mile 43.5 – Dismal Swamp Canal Route)

      On 7/23/09, as part of a “North Carolina Wish List,” I posed the following question:

      4. Near Statute Mile 43.5 the Dismal Swamp Route/AICW, skirts to the northeast of Goat Island. Many cruisers anchor southwest of this land mass. Who has done this lately? Was it a good experience?

      Responses follow:

      The anchorage “behind” Goat Island is peaceful…holding is good and protection is excellent….if you’re real lucky and leave early you may get some awesome reflections on your way North or South!
      Capt Jock, formerly of DREAM MAKER, presently of HOME AT LAST


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    • Washington, NC City Docks (Pamlico River)

      On 7/23/09, as part of a “North Carolina Wish List,” I posed the following question:

      30. Finally, cruisers can continue up Pamlico River to the very nice Washington, NC city docks (a SALTY SOUTHEAST CRUISERS’ NET SPONSOR). These are some of the nicest city facilities in North Carolina. Anyone who has berthed here, please share what you found. Did you find any good places to eat or places to shop in downtown Washington?

      Responses follow:

      Enjoyed Washington, NC. Bought a new 8D battery at West Marine and one of the employees delivered in his truck. No charge and wouldn’t accept a tip!
      Wayne Thomas

      Washington is great. Several restaurants. The Map Room has excellent food with a creative flair. We were fortunate to be there on a Friday night when the town had bands of every type playing in the streets. Nice town dock. West Marine within walking distance.
      Rick

      Washington City Dock permits you to tie up for 2 days every 7 days free of charge – no power or water. Docking is $260 a month and I believe now plus power cost (which was included when I was there) There are great showers free of charge and a waterside boardwalk and park. Mimis Coffee House on the waterfront is a great place to eat fine home made soups and other specials. (Owners Mimi and Pete at one time were cruisers themselves) . The Metro (I think it’s called) serves a good old fashioned breakfast. Good Farmers Market every Saturday in summer time. All Dockmasters very friendly. Walmart / Lowes / Office Depot et al are a $5 taxi ride away. West Marine is within walking distance
      Best wishes
      Arnold Parkinson
      The British Club Worldwide
      www.britishclubworldwide.com


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    • Visiting Bath, NC (Pamlico River)

      On 7/23/09, as part of a “North Carolina Wish List,” I posed the following question:

      28. Farther up the Pamlico River, Bath Creek cuts into the northern banks. This well marked body of water leads to Bath, officially North Carolina’s oldest incorporated town. Here, you can tie up to free state docks, or a nice, smaller private marina. Who has visited Bath in the last several years? Where do you berth? Did you find anyplace to eat ashore in Bath?

      Responses follow:

      Dock was full so attempted to anchor, bottom must be very soft. Finally set Fortress after Delta and SuperMax kept sliding along.
      Wayne Thomas

      We docked at state dock during election last November during nor’easter, Bath is a lovely town. There’s a pizza place very nearby and it was tasty. They also had some cheese biscuits for breakfast, but otherwise not many choices. Rarely is there better food than can be found in this farmer’s galley, though.
      Chase

      We have been to Bath 6 times in the last year and I’m going back next week. It is my favorite place in NC. Edenton is a close second. We’ve used the town dock and anchored out. My blood pressure drops 40 points as soon as my feet hit shore. This town is so perfect. I nice restaurant called Blackbeards is mostly Italian stuff. And ice cream! Very good food.
      Rick

      Bath Creek – delightful. And the free dock excellent. Nothing much there however in terms of stores except one pizza restaurant – which is quite good however. I hear that Fortune 500 magazine recommended Bath as one of the top ten places in America to build a multi million dollar home……… Grocery stores etc too far away for boaters
      Best wishes
      Arnold Parkinson
      The British Club Worldwide
      www.britishclubworldwide.com

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      1. Chase -  July 23, 2009 - 6:29 pm

        We docked at state dock during election last November during nor’easter, Bath is a lovely town. There’s a pizza place very nearby and it was tasty. They also had some cheese biscuits for breakfast, but otherwise not many choices. Rarely is there better food than can be found in this farmer’s galley, though.

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    • Broad Creek (North River) Anchorage (Statute Mile 61)

      On 7/23/09, as part of a “North Carolna Wish List,” I posed the following question:

      10. The southernmost North River anchorage, just north of the Waterway’s intersection with Albemarle Sound, is Broad Creek (careful, there are a BUNCH of Broad Creeks in both North and South Carolina). The only real knock I’ve ever had in regards to North River’s Broad Creek, is that its entrance can be hard to find. Has anyone anchored on Broad Creek? Were you able to find your way to this haven without difficulty? What did you find when you got there?

      Responses follow:

      Tried to anchor, but barely enough water (5.5′ draft) and couldn’t set 88# Delta so anchored outside of creek.
      Wayne Thomas


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    • Dismal Swamp Canal Welcome Center (Statute Mile 28)

      On 7/23/09, as part of a “North Carolna Wish List,” I posed the following question:

      2. Along the Dismal Swamp Canal, cruisers will discover the Dismal Swamp Canal Welcome Center. You can tie up here overnight free of charge. Who has done this lately? Please describe your experience, and let us know whether you think this is a worthwhile overnight stop.

      Responses follow:

      The Welcome Center is even better than ever as there is a new Dismal Swamp museum located on the opposite canal bank. Access is provided by an interesting (and clearly very expensive) hydraulically retracted floating bridge. The museum itself is relatively small but provides a comprehensive history of the canal with many illustrative examples. When one views the panel about birds, the sounds of their varied and colorful songs emerge unobtrusively from the background. We stayed one night at the Welcome Center and were happy to become reacquainted with our friend Penny Leary-Smith who has run the the facility from its inception. We are always delighted to stop there whether by car or by boat, and always do.
      Our half-dozen sailboats were joined at the welcome center by a 45 foot multi decked power boat. This is unusual, as most power cruisers prefer the Virginia Cut route where they are not limited to 6 knots and where the risk of hitting debris with their screws is less, or so it is believed.
      Ted Jones

      Enjoyed our overnight stop here very much after the stress of so many bumps along the way. We needed the rest.
      Wayne Thomas

      The welcome center is rarely crowded and a pleasant and convenient stop…a nice place to meet other folks who are taking a break from the wake-makers!
      Capt Jock, formerly of DREAM MAKER, presently of HOME AT LAST

      Rafted up after arriving at 2000 after a 60 mile day, welcome respite. Off the dock early to make South Mills first lock so did not get to enjoy welcome center but the restrooms were nice as was the group of cruisers at the dock. The Dismal Swamp is a stressful passage with all the trees, debris and loud bumps but worth doing. It is nice to have afternoon shade from sun with trees though.
      Chase

      I was a tad dissapointed with the Visitors Center – perhaps expecting too much. But they really don’t have much but a far too small dock and toilets. I spent one night rafted up to another boat which I don’t really like doing but left first thing in the morning. Maybe if they had fuel and water and a small store……..
      Best wishes
      Arnold Parkinson
      The British Club Worldwide
      www.britishclubworldwide.com

      We stopped and tied up at the rest area for the night on our early June cruise up to Norfolk. We were quite fortunate in that we were able to get into the last open slot along the bulkhead; if I recall there was a total of 4 boats and that’s all. Unfortunately this night was definitely one of the hottest nights so far this summer, so without being able to use the air it was not a great night. The grounds were well kept and clean; rest rooms the same. For one night it is ok and thank goodness it is there as we were exhausted when we reached that point coming from Elizabeth City. Don’t know what we would have done if it had not been there quite frankly
      Pat Kenefick

      The welcome center was a pleasant overnight stop. We arrived late in the afternoon. The lady at the desk was kind enough to give us a ride up the road to get pizza if we wanted. We declined because we had food on board. We signed the cruisers log they have there
      Clif & Peta Lewis
      s/v Immanuel

      We cruised the Dismal Swamp for 2 days last week spending a night at the Visitor’s Center. The 5 women in there were wonderful!!! We used their book exchange. Their nature center has been open only a year and it is very well done. Wish I knew the ranger’s name at the bridge that crosses the canal to the center, but he was born for that job. He has so much information, can answer all questions, and obviously has a love for what he does.
      Bill & Laura Bender
      M/VKindred Spirit III

      Click Here For More Information on the Dismal Swamp Canal Welcome Center

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      1. Chase -  July 23, 2009 - 6:59 pm

        Rafted up after arriving at 2000 after a 60 mile day, welcome respite. Off the dock early to make South Mills first lock so did not get to enjoy welcome center but the restrooms were nice as was the group of cruisers at the dock. The Dismal Swamp is a stressful passage with all the trees, debris and loud bumps but worth doing. It is nice to have afternoon shade from sun with trees though.

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    • Elizabeth City – Mariner’s Wharf City Docks (Statute Mile 50.5)

      On 7/23/09, as part of a “North Carolina Wish List,” I posed the following question:

      6. Near Statute Mile 50.5, cruisers traveling the Dismal Swamp Canal Route will discover Elizabeth City (A SALTY SOUTHEAST CRUISERS’ NET SPONSOR). This community has the enviable reputation of providing one of the warmest welcomes to cruisers to be found anywhere in the Southeastern USA. And, free city docks are in the offing for an overnight stay. Who has stopped in Elizabeth City recently? Could you please describe the welcome you received? Did you find any good restaurants ashore?

      Responses follow:

      On to Elizabeth City where everything I’ve heard about their fabulous welcome is evident even though Fred Fearing, the last “Rose Buddy” has died. In his place is a granite marker describing the rose buddies and their legacy. Instead, we were greeted by the Elizabeth City mayor himself whoat the traditional wine and cheese party told us about his plans for expanding the services available. He is a boat owner and is a strong advocate for the city docks. He even set to to help late arrivals with their dock lines. A call to the local supermarket brought a courtesy car driven by the store manager himself, and he drove us back to the docks when we had made out purchases. This is one of the most complete supermarkets I have ever been in.
      The only negatives about Elizabeth City is the lack of fuel service at the docks. Jack Wisner and I walked a couple of blocks to an automotive filling station and lugged back a six gallon jug of fuel. There presently are no fuel docks in Elizabeth City, and out next available pit stop was Dowry Creek Marina where we later had difficulty fueling from their high speed pump whose nozzle will not fit in most sailboat’s deck plates. The lack of heads and showers is high on the mayor’s list of new services which he feels need to be provided at Elizabeth City.
      Ted Jones

      As to EC’s hospitality, we cannot overstate how welcome we were made to feel. Even had the Mayor (Stephen Atkinson) come by and introduce himself. We stayed at the city dock, which is free. It was about half full. We went to dinner at a restaurant, Montero’s, named after the owner and chef, who came and picked us up in his car and took us back to the boat when we were through. The food was fine.
      Bill & Claudia Bagwell
      M/V Runaway

      Elizabeth City is always great. When I was there a Canadian owner suggested a pot luck supper which in turn led to a party and singing songs from a variety of countries represented. Dockmasters Sam and Gus are very friendly and will let you stay more than a couple of nights if the docks aren’t full. Good fish restaurant near the dock. laundry withing walking distance and a breat Farm Fresh grocery store who will pick you up and return upon request.
      Best wishes
      Arnold Parkinson
      The British Club Worldwide
      www.britishclubworldwide.com

      The stay at Elizabeth City was nice. When we arrived coming up the Pasquotank a man on shore took a line for us to help us in the slip. It turned out he was on the boat next to us. He was traveling south on a 40ft. mono [can’t remember what kind] with his wife and a cat. They were french canadian heading to Charleston. They must have liked french poodles because they had the cat shaved that way, Yes they did!
      We did not get to experiance the well known welcome of a rose and wine reception. The man who used to do it had passed on. We had breakfast at a little place in town that took you back to old days. We stayed there for 3 days, also the day before we left we met a South African couple who were delivering a 44ft. Knysna catamaran to Annapolis. We developed a relationship because my wife is originally from South Africa. The girls still keep in touch. We enjoyed Elizabeth City for our short stay there.
      Clif & Peta Lewis
      s/v Immanuel

      At Elizabeth City docks, if you’re nice and friendly to the dockmasters, they ‘ll show you two hidden spigots for topping off your water tanks………. No fuel alas – but there is at the marina just south – who also sell block ice
      Arnold

      Click Here For More Information on Mariner’s Wharf City Docks

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    • Dismal Swamp Canal Route

      On 7/23/09, as part of a “North Carolina Wish List,” I posed the following quesiton:

      1. The alternate Dismal Swamp Canal Route, leading from Virginia to North Carolina waters, is a somewhat controversial passage. Some, like this writer, love this route for its fascinating ecology and history. Others don’t like it due to the possibility of striking floating or semi-submerged debris. Who has cruised the Dismal recently? Did you have a good or bad experience? Please share what you found with our fellow cruisers, and let us know whether or not you recommend this passage to our fellow mariners.

      Responses follow:

      Hi Claiborne:
      The Dismal Swamp Canal route is my favorite. It is always a sweet anomaly to be in the middle of a jungle traveling serenely aboard an ocean capable vessel seemingly light years away from her natural element.
      Ocean Gypsy passed southbound on this route last October, and it was perfect. We saw no snags, so no shoal spots on the depth sounder, and there were no mysterious bumping noises indicating an underwater snag. We anchored north of the Deep Creek lock the night before we entered the canal and locked through with half a dozen other sailboats. With the recent (since my last passage) widening and relocation of Route 17 in Virginia, one no longer sees much in the way of vehicular traffic, and I’ve always found that the sound of my boat’s engine masks any noise from the highway even where it closely parallels the canal.
      The Welcome Center is even better than ever as there is a new Dismal Swamp museum located on the opposite canal bank. Access is provided by an interesting (and clearly very expensive) hydraulically retracted floating bridge. The museum itself is relatively small but provides a comprehensive history of the canal with many illustrative examples. When one views the panel about birds, the sounds of their varied and colorful songs emerge unobtrusively from the background. We stayed one night at the Welcome Center and were happy to become reacquainted with our friend Penny Leary-Smith who has run the the facility from its inception. We are always delighted to stop there whether by car or by boat, and always do.
      Our half-dozen sailboats were joined at the welcome center by a 45 foot multi decked power boat. This is unusual, as most power cruisers prefer the Virginia Cut route where they are not limited to 6 knots and where the risk of hitting debris with their screws is less, or so it is believed.
      When the Dismal Swamp Canal is open to traffic (it has to be closed when the level of Lake Drummond reaches a specific low level in conditions of drought) I will always take this route. To me it is the highlight of an ICW passage.
      Ted Jones, S/V Ocean Gypsy (Freedom 33 cat ketch)

      I have used the Dismal Swamp Route many times…the most recent in May of ’09. I have always found it to be peaceful and a really nice break from the Sport Fisherman and Delivery Captains on the Virginia Cut.
      Capt Jock, formerly of DREAM MAKER, presently of HOME AT LAST

      It IS a nice passage but I expected a few snags here and there but found DOZENS. I was dodging floating branches constantly and had loud thuds 6-8 times. There was a floating tree under the bridge at Deep Creek but was pointed out to lockmaster by northbound cruisers at the time of my passage so I avoided. I will do this passage again and recommend others do too, but with the caveat that floating debris is VERY prolific or was July 2009. Chase, s/v Anne Freeman (Cape Dory 30)
      Chase

      Claiborne,
      We cruised the Dismal Swamp Canal with another boat, south to Elizabeth City, on July 10th. It was a beautiful day, sunny and dry, with little wind. All the stories about the friendliness of the Deep Creek Lock operator are true, he is very courteous and helpful. We went along at about 5 – 6 knots. Depths were not a problem. We had a minimum of 6′ of water all the way, usually deeper. I lost count of how many times something bumped and hit the hull (or wheel/s) though. We have a twin engine power boat with a keel, but the wheels hang down on each side, unprotected. I was sure I had dinged one of the wheels, maybe both, and was expecting to have picked up some vibration. However, once we reached the Pasquotank and were able to get up on a plane, everything was fine, and we had suffered no damage. I guess the various underwater obstructions and floating objects were soft and came apart on impact. We had never done the Canal before, and are glad we did. It’s beautiful, but also rather tedious at the helm to keep it to the straight and narrow for nearly 4 hours. Traffic was light. We only met 2 or 3 northbound boats the whole way.
      Bill & Claudia Bagwell
      M/V Runaway

      We like traveling the Dismal Swamp & yes you do bump things but you are supposed to be going slow. We had 3 or 4 “hits” between the South Mills lock and the Visitors Center this spring, two of them medium thumps but with a steel hull and protected prop they were not a problem for Legrace. There was a Corp of Engineer barge working the south section when we went through so things could have been “stirred-up” a bit more than usual. North of the Visitors Center to Deep Creek Lock we didn’t bump anything.
      Bob & Lynn Williamson
      On Legrace in the Erie Canal at Spencerport NY (enjoying this weekend’s
      canal festival)

      Dismal Swamp June 2009 – I did hit one small log but no big deal really. The upper reaches of the Pamlico are worse.
      I enjoyed the experience – plus the Deep Creek Lockeeper Robert who is a very friendly fellow. I spent three peaceful nights at the Elizabeth Dock but on the fourth night was woken up at 4am by my cat yowling as if another cat was around. Then I heard a strange noise on deck – and another. I cautiously peered out my aft cabin hatch – there were two guys ON MY BOAT! I yelled at them to get off immediately or I’d shoot. I don’t actually have a weapon on board but it fortunately scared them and they jumped off and ran away into the night. I think they were teenagers and thought nobody was on the boat. They had already removed a half empty gas can from my dinghy but left it on the dock in their haste to get away! I reported the incident to Robert and he said he would ask the local police to add the dock to their regular night circuit.
      Best wishes
      Arnold Parkinson
      The British Club Worldwide
      www.britishclubworldwide.com

      We followed this route in early June of this year in our 32ft. sailboat that drafts 4 1/2 ft. Even with 8 ft. of water under us we ran across or hit what I assume were fallen trees 3 times and this definitely more to the center than right or left of center. For us, this was a route that we would not do again; in other words “been there done that “. Most interesting part was going through the locks.
      Pat Kenefick

      As for the Dismal Swamp, we traveled north to Virgina. For the most part it was a great trip up from Elizabeth City. It was a little scary because we were new at this thing called cruising. We draw a little less than 3 ft. so we thought we would be all right. I found it easy to navigate w/ the Maptech charts I had, also the same charts on CD were loaded on our laptop. That helped a lot with giving us real time location. However there were times when we saw fixed debris in the cut and just crossed our fingers. Fortunatly with a cat we straddled some of these hazards. There was one time though, I felt we needed to go around a stump and the boat raised up as we went over what seemed to be a submerged rotten log. The boat rolled over it without damage to anything underneath. Going through the locks was a fun experiance. One of the lockmasters played a tune on a seashell for us while we waited.
      Clif & Peta Lewis
      s/v Immanuel

      The 1st day was great but the 2nd day’¦not so good. We hit 6 different ‘˜things’ that never showed from the surface. When you think of the intolerable conditions under which the canal was dug, offers and added appreciation of the privilege of cruising through there. Probably we won’t do that again, either, simply b/c of hitting objects—that’s always a nerve-wracking sound.
      Bill & Laura Bender
      M/VKindred Spirit III

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      1. Chase -  July 23, 2009 - 7:13 pm

        It IS a nice passage but I expected a few snags here and there but found DOZENS. I was dodging floating branches constantly and had loud thuds 6-8 times. There was a floating tree under the bridge at Deep Creek but was pointed out to lockmaster by northbound cruisers at the time of my passage so I avoided. I will do this passage again and recommend others do too, but with the caveat that floating debris is VERY prolific or was July 2009. Chase, s/v Anne Freeman (Cape Dory 30)

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    • East and South Lake Anchorages (Statute Mile 82)

      The unmarked entry into East and South Lakes, comes up along the AICW’s eastern banks, just as southbound craft enter the northern mouth of Alligator. I really like anchoring here. These waters have a feeling of being long forgotten, ands those who enjoy the feeling that every puff of air, or turn of the screw, carries them a bit farther from the maddening crowd, will love these waters. I do suggest employing a well functioning GPS chartplotter to navigate the entrance channel. As mentioned above, it is unmarked, and surrounded by shallows.

      We anchored between the two 8 foot depths off Boranges Point on July 15, 2009. We had about 7.5 feet of depth. Beautiful, remote anchorage with no cell phone (Verizon) or aircard reception. We cruise with a dog, so a place to get ashore is important. Found one along a grassy shore on Boranges Point, near the 3 foot depth mark. Other areas on shore with cypress trees had knees, making a dinghy landing difficult. We were relatively far from shore, but did not try to get closer. As we moved south into South Lake, water depths seemed to fall off sharply, and we stopped going farther south. Our anchorage was at 35-55.813, 75-54.960. We had good holding.
      Norman Mason


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    • Oriental Harbor Marina (Statute Mile 181)

      Toucan Grill and Fresh Bar in Oriental, NCAs you approch Oriental’s interior harbor, Oriental Harbor Marina will be spotted to port. Don’t confuse this facility, due the name similarity, with Oriental Marina, which is located on the starboard shores of the village’s innermost harbor. This latter facility is a SALTY SOUTHEAST CRUISERS’ NET SPONSOR!

      We stayed at Oriental Harbor Marina July 3 and 4, tied to the outer bulkhead. What a great place to see the fireworks, just on the other side of the Rte. 55 bridge! The weather was calm, so we didn’t get bounced around too much. There’s been a change since we were there last – Oriental Marina (no Harbor) is now handling transient reservations and docking assistance for Oriental Harbor Marina. So contact Oriental Marina on the VHF or by phone. The folks from Oriental Marina come right over by bicycle to give you hand when needed. Excellent service!
      Jim Starr
      S/V Snap Dragon


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    • Important – Deadheads on Alligator – Pungo Canal

      7/14/09
      Deadheads (nauticalese for logs or stakes temporarily anchored to the bottom) can really ruin your whole day on the water, if they make contact with your underwater hardware! Pay close attention to Captain message below. This is just the sort of navigational warning that the Cruisers’ Net excels at getting the word out!

      Subject: StM107-121 Deadheads on Alligator River – Pungo River Canal
      Cruising News: We traveled through the Alligator River – Pungo River Canal on July 11th and found it littered with deadheads/snags. There is one marked (PA) on the chart – it is in the channel just south of the centre. We also found numerous other logs between mile 107 and 121. Most were between mile 115 and 121 and were all pretty close to the centre of the channel. By the time you get there they may be gone due barges running over them, but be aware for them.
      If they haven’t moved, we saw the deadhead logs in the following positions moving Northbound on the ICW:

      Obstn PA on chart
      Mile 120
      35°43.61N 76°19.07W
      35°34.68N 76°18.99W
      35°34.69N 76°18.57W
      35°34.71N 76°18.47W
      35°34.92N 76°17.27W
      35°34.97N 76°17.00W
      35°35.00N 76°16.82W
      35°35.07N 76°16.43W
      35°35.10N 76°16.29W
      35°35.19N 76°15.70W (floating, may not be there now)
      Mile 115
      35°38.28N 76°09.15W

      Geoff
      SV Geru

      Several large deadheads in ICW around entrance to canal but warned by cruisers in front of us – thanks to them.
      John Thayer

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    • “Shallow Spot” on Ocean Passage Past Cape Hatteras

      Learn At The Helm - Your Yacht or Ours? Want to LEARN AT THE HELM? If you don't have the perfect boat picked out yet but would like to learn aboard, Captain Chris Yacht Services can help!Personally, I’ve never had the nerve to “cross the bar” on the ocean side of Cape Hatteras, but Captain Chis obviously knows a lot more about this passage than yours truly. As you will see below, he found a shallower spot. With the ever changing sands of Cape Hatteras’ Great Diamond Shoals, that’s scarey.
      Incidentally, Captain Chris’s company, Captain Chris Yacht Services, LLC is our newest SALTY SOUTHEAST CRUISERS’ NET SPONSOR!! Please check out his web site (click the attached sponsorship banner) to learn about his many services, and please join with me in welcoming Captain Chris aboard!

      We are underway on a delivery aboard a Kadey Krogen 58 Trawler, moving from GA to the Chesapeake. To save time we take the ocean route. The weather is great, the seas calm and we are enjoying the ride. When approaching Cape Hatteras and Diamond Shoals from the south we cut across the bar. Looking at the charts we see 43 foot areas and then a big area showing 27 feet. To straighten our course we head across the 27 foot area. Keeping in mind how shallow the ICW is, 27 feet feels great!
      The calm ocean swells start to change shape so we set a more easterly course to find deeper water – the 43 foot section. In three spots we cross 9 foot depths. You may think, `Oh, that’s a school of fish’ but we believe otherwise. The sea swells change form each time the sounder shows 9 feet’¦and each time we can see the water bottom sharply change on the depth sounder screen. Scary to go from 27 feet to 9 feet, wondering if it will get even shallower. We eventually find the deeper water again and steer to Cape Henry & Cape Charles with no other concerns.
      NOTE. We saw large Sport fisherman running across the bar so, as they say, `local knowledge is best’. We plan to stay in the 43 foot section of the bar next time’¦no matter how calm the ocean.
      Chris & Alyse Caldwell
      Captain Chris Yacht Services, LLC

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    • Dismal Swamp Canal Discussion

      There have been many postings and discussions about the good and bad point of cruising the alternate AICW Dismal Swamp Canal Route, from North Carolina to VA, or the other way around. The exchange below, which is copied from the AGLCA mailing list, centers around height restrictions.

      Planning to head south via the Dismal Swamp….has anyone come up recently with a sportfish with outriggers. We are concerned that we may not have the height clearance needed.
      I’d appreciate hearing if someone actually has done it.
      Thanks in advance,
      Dave Schafer
      SeaQuestered

      We came through the DS in April. Only remember the bridges at the locks, which are raised after you go through the locks. Our height is 18 ft. We did not have any problems.
      Larry and Christine Hayden
      BlueSkies

      You won’t have any height problems. The primary use of the canal is by trawlers and sailboats, because the entire length of the canal is a 6 mph speed zone, there’s no passing room, and the locks at both ends are restricted to a max of 4 times daily. That said, I doubt your outriggers are higher than sailboat masts. If they are, your problem will be beam at the outriggers, not height. The canopy (mix of pine and desiduous) in the canal varies vertically from about 20′ to about 120′, and it’s horozontal clearance between the banks of the canal is in the range of 20′ in places.
      Jim
      Peg and Jim Healy aboard Sanctuary,

      I think what Captain Jon means by “only one marina” in his note below, is really only one fuel stop. There are actually two marinas, one city dock, and the Dismal Swamp Canal Welcome Center, along the alternate AICW Dismal Swamp Route. Only one of these, however, Lambs Marina, sells fuel.

      There are several issues with the Route 2 that people are missing. First there is only one marina left between the Aligator River and where route 1 $ 2 merge in VA, and that is a MM 42. with restrictions (max lengh 42 feet, max draft 5 feet) it is located up a small narrow, shallow canal. Also the bridge in Elizabeth city has a 12 vert clearence, and will open on request if traffic is light but not during rush hours. Also, if you need sheltered anchorage stay north of MM48. In Elizabeth City the city dock and Pelician marina are not sheltered and with a south or west wind plan on getting beat up. there are no safe anchors south of the Elizabeth city Bridge
      Jon

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      1. Jon -  July 12, 2009 - 9:43 am

        There are several issues with the Route 2 that people are missing. First there is only one marina left between the Aligator River and where route 1 $ 2 merge in VA, and that is a MM 42. with restrictions (max lengh 42 feet, max draft 5 feet) it is located up a small narrow, shallow canal. Also the bridge in Elizabeth city has a 12 vert clearence, and will open on request if traffic is light but not during rush hours. Also, if you need sheltered anchorage stay north of MM48. In Elizabeth City the city dock and Pelician marina are not sheltered and with a south or west wind plan on getting beat up. there are no safe anchors south of the Elizabeth city Bridge.

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    • Cruise from Oriental to Ocracoke to Manteo, then north to the Dismal Swamp

      The question copied below originally appeared on the MTOA List-Serve, as did the answers. There is soooo much good information here, that I copied this discussion to this North Carolina section.

      We are considering this route [Oriental to Ocracoke to Manteo and then north toward The Dismal Swamp], wondered if anyone else has gone this way and would give us some guidance. We draw 4 feet and are concerned about the water in some of the shallower parts of the Sound.
      Rebecca Roman
      Andante

      Don’t worry about the water depth. It is easy to find the 6′ plus depths. The deepest point in Pamlico Sound is near Swan Quarter at about 25′. We have traversed this route three times and the only problems we encountered were 4′ following seas and entering the south channel to Roanoke Island on the wrong side of the markers.Â
      Solutions:
      1. Be sure you know which side of the channel to Roanoke Isd. has the green markers.
      2. Head out from Ocracoke when winds are E. to N.W. not when they are behind you.
      3. If caught in difficult following seas, Englehard is a good hole to duck into.Â
      4. Long Point shoal seems to be creaping further out than the older charts show. It’s marked.
      5. Take the Dismal Swamp route. The no wake speed limit is great and overnighting in the canal at the Visitors center or at the dock above Deep Creek lock is quite comfortable.
      6. Get hold of a free North Carolina Coastal Boating Guide for the overall view of the entire area.
      Enjoy this fun trip.
      Jim Bertch

      Yes, we did it in 2007. We left from Beaufort, NC, about 70 miles to Oakracoke. Don’t do this in a NE wind, gets real choppy. Bike around Oakracoke for a day and see the beach. Stay at the public dock run by the National Park Service, next to the ferry dock. It’s a 67 mile run to Manteo, again don’t do in a northerly wind. Bike to the Elizabethan gardens. Elizabeth City is 47 miles, strong SW winds make this a misserable crossing. If the weather is nice this is a neat trip.
      Chuck and Claria Gorgen

      Just came from Beaufort to Ocracoke to Manteo about a month ago–after 2 days in Ocracoke arrived Manteo 6/2–will dept around 8/1 for Baltimore via Virginia cut route as no interest in Dismal Swamp this time of year–expect high bug count exists.
      Easy run in good weather with favorable SW wind. We came up Croatan Sound side of Manteo based on very wide passage and only few miles farther than Roanoke Sound but we have talked to a number of people that ran east side with no issue as long as you plot and follow the channels which switch marker colors at the Oregan Inlet channel intersection.
      Regardless of projected wind speed/direction generally find much more favorable during daylight to about noon period +/- an hour or so.
      2-3 days is adequate time to do and see most things at Ocracoke but it is interesting stop-fair amount of history, great fishing and market, beaches.
      Manteo is a real find to spend few days to weeks here-activities on Island as well as immediate proximity(rental car–Enterprise, Killdevil Hills services) to Kitty Hawk and myriad of things to do and see on upper outterbanks, easy drive to Edinton, Elisabeth City area.
      Howard H Cole
      aboard the C Horse

      We just did this route in our Nordic Tug with a draft of 4.7.this May while doing the loop. We had no problems with water depth…just stay in the channel!
      Barbara and Jim Benjamin
      Golden Lily

      We absolutely loved the Great Dismal Swamp, recommend it all. Also stopped at NC Visitors Center, great place and good exchange of information.
      We could not figure out why it was called the Great Dismal Swamp, it was beautiful. Have recommended this route to power boat friends.
      Laurel and Murray Thompson
      Northern Magic I

      It is called the dismal swamp because in old English dismal was the word used for swamp. Redundant but an attention getter.
      John Zalusky, “NEVER FINSHED”

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    • Accolades For Dowry Creek Marina (Statute Mile 131.5)

      The good comments on Dowry Creek Marina, directly off the AICW/Pungo River, a short hop north of Belhaven, keep coming!

      While I generally anchor out most of the time, Dowry Creek is a ‘must-stop’ for me. Aside from being one of the friendliest marinas on the AICW, they are well protected . . . . Mary is doing a great job of maintaining the facilities and ambiance that makes Dowry Creek such a great stop. I have left EOS there twice for a month and, in addition to being very reasonable, found that she was very well looked after. An additional plus is that if you need a good mechanic, Capt. Frank Smith is on of the finest around. ….anyone know of a good place north of the 32 parallel?
      Bill & Ana
      Knot Tide Down

      Dowry Creek Marina (MM131) With all due respect to the recent post, this marina is not well protected from the south and south east (also possibly east) as the photos in their scrap book will attest. Other than this, I couldn’t agree more with anyone who praises the facility and people at DCM. It is super friendly, laid back and oh so comfortable. Just watch the forecast and choose another spot if winds are predicted to be strong from the SE quadrant.
      Rick Parish
      s/v Sea Breeze


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    • North Carolina Inlets

      The brief discussion below was copied from the Net’s “Ask Your Neighbor” page (/ask_your_neighbor/ask_your_neighbor/), and originally from the GL (“Great Loop”) list.
      Please note that “Little River” Inlet is actually located in extreme northern South Carolina.

      We are looking for information on North Carolina inlets from someone with knowledge and EXPERIENCE on inlets between Winyah and Beaufort.
      Thanks Much,
      Sue

      Little R is A OK – big gambling boats and shrmpers go in and out – no issues – follow marks. easy run to Cape Fear You can come in the west channel at Cape Fear at HT. otherwise use the class A man channel which is a bit longer
      Masonboro is great – good shot to Beaufort NC. Beaufort is Class A also
      No issues with any of these
      The others are best left for locals and small boats
      Greg and Susan Han
      Allegria — Krogen Whaleback

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    • New Oriental, NC Marina (Statute Mile 181)

       I am very pleased to hear that there is a new marina in Oriental. This is such a marvellous port of call, that we need as much slip space here as possible to facillitate cruising visitors.
      Oh yes, don’t forget that another local facility, Oriental Marina and Toucan Restaurant, are a SALTY SOUTHEAST CRUISERS’ NET SPONSOR!

      Subject: Whittaker Pointe Marina
      Cruising News: There is fairly new marina in Oriental that is not listed on this Cruisers Net. Whittaker Pointe Marina is located at the entrance to Whittaker Creek at green marker #5 (mile 181). It is a beautiful marina in a beautiful location. The docks, club house and swimming pool are all in excellent condition and the view from the clubhouse is gorgeous. Although is is located a good distance from town by dinghy, there is a courtesy van available for transient use, making it easy to reprovision at the grocery and West Marine (which are quite a walk from the downtown marinas). The van is also available for a trip out to dinner at the many wonderful restaurants in Oriental. Ashley and Carol Erwin are the dockmasters and, having been a cruiser themselves, are always willing to help in any way. If there is no answer on Channel 16, transients are welcome to tie up to the t-dock and call Ashley on his cell phone 252-675-2554. For information in advance, call either 252-249-1750 (office) or 252-675-2554 (cell). It is a wonderful place to stay overnight or for a week or longer.
      Debbie

      The Whittaker Point Marina just off the ICW is wonderful. They have a newly placed wave attenuator that really makes a huge difference in the calmness of the marina. The club house, pool, bathrooms and showers, etc. are lovely as are the natural surroundings. The dock master and mistress are very accommodating and now offer a courtesy car for short trips to the grocery or even the New Bern Airport. It is a 20 minute bike ride to the village and all that it has to offer. There is ample space for several big catamarans.
      Penny Flaherty

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    • A Nice Visit to Ocracoke and Silver Lake Harbor

      The old island community of Ocracoke (off Pamlico Sound) is one of our favorite ports of call anywhere within the Southeastern USA!

      {We spent] two worthwhile days at the national park dock(you can anchor free in Silver Lake or pay 60c ft with Golden Age pass) on Ocracoke Island. This dock was the PT Boat dock in WW2 when they were deployed to respond to the German subs crusing our coastline in the early days of the war. What an interesting place—market where you get fish swimming in the morning for evening grilling, nice beaches, time moves a little slower here. The North Carolina Teacher Education Center rep gave of a tour of the old Coast Guard Headquarters which they have renovated for upgrading teacher skills–kind'a teachers Camp David retreat.
      Howard H Cole
      aboard the C Horse

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    • Great Visit to Manteo Waterfront Marina (Roanoke Island – Roanoke Sound)

      Manteo Waterfront Marina is now run by the Town of Manteo. It boasts 53 slips that can accommodate boats up to 140 feet. The marina is situated right next to historic downtown Manteo on a boardwalkManteo is a charming port of call in North Carolina “Sound Country.” The community waterfront sits perched on the waters of Doughs Creek, which cuts off of Roanoake Sound. A marked channel leads from the easterly reaches of Albemarle Sound, to this latter body of water.
      And, right there on the town watefront is the Manteo city marina, which goes under the name of Manteo Waterfront Marina. This an excellent facility, and they are a SALTY SOUTHEAST CRUISERS’ NET SPONSOR! Tell harbormaster Carl, we sent you!

      We arrved in Manteo, Roanoke Island on June 2nd after two worthwhile days at the national park dock (you can anchor free in Silver Lake or pay 60c ft with Golden Age pass) on Ocracoke Island. This dock was the PT Boat dock in WW2 when they were deployed to respond to the German subs crusing our coastline in the early days of the war. What an interesting place—market where you get fish swimming in the morning for evening grilling, nice beaches, time moves a little slower here. The North Carolina Teacher Education Center rep gave of a tour of the old Coast Guard Headquarters which they have renovated for upgrading teacher skills–kind’a teachers Camp David retreat.
      The town dock here in Manteo is a great location from which to enjoy local activities and tour the Outter Banks. Will be here till 8/1 when we head to the Chesapeake with extended stops in Baltimore and month of Sept in DC.
      Based on our trip up the Pamlico if weather is favorable in the future we will use this route verses the Pungo Canal etc to go north and south as we have done that route a number of times now and advantages are out weighed by the abundance of stumps and deadheads that are ever present –besides Manteo and Ocracoke are stacking up to be absolutely wonderful places to stop with tremendous variety of history and current day attractions.
      Thanks again and safe travels.
      Howard H Cole

      Trish and I did this trip this past November on our way south. We went from Elizabeth City, where the mayor stopped by and spent an hour or so with us aboard Great Expectations; a very friendly place, to Manteo where we stayed at the Waterfront Marina.
      The trip was about 42 statue miles and quite uneventful with the exception of where you turn to starboard to enter the channel to Manteo harbor. There is major shoaling there and the buoys are confusing at this spot. Just take it slow and be careful to follow the right marks. We made it into Manteo without issue but gently hit bottom on our way out.
      We really enjoyed this stop. It was lovely, boater friendly and not crowded. I am sure you will enjoy it as well.
      Jim Riordan
      Great Expectations
      aboard the C Horse


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    • Ruddy Duck Tavern – “A Great Find” (Morehead City, NC, St. M. 205)

      Morehead City Yacht BasinWow, sounds like a great place, not only super food, but a 50-foot dock open for all patrons. If you’ll excuse me, I think I need to make lunch plans today in Morehead City.
      And, oh yes, let’s not forget. The Ruddy Duck Tavern is within walking distance of the Morehead City docks, and the slips at Morehead City Yacht Basin, a SALTY SOUTHEAST CRUISERS’ NET SPONSOR!

      A terrific find for those transiting the Beaufort – Morehead City area. The Ruddy Duck Tavern is just west of the well known and mediocre Sanitary Fish market in the Morehead City center.. It has a 50′ floating dock that is free if you eat there and boy will you be glad you ate there.
      We had one of the best meals ever. Fresh seafood – the owners boat is out front and he catches his own fish every morning. We shared a huge fish combo platter with light battered shrimp,
      oysters, clams, and a huge fillet of fresh mackerel. Service was great, prices ~19 for top entrees and ~14 for others. Google the name and read other reviews.
      It was Wed night and the place was packed. Waterfront deck or inside. One of the two owners is Brazilian. The Brazilian flare for food shows through.
      You can be sure we will stop here on the way south.
      Greg and Susan Han
      Allegria — Krogen Whaleback #16

      Subject: Morehead City Restaurant
      Cruising News: Thanks for letting us know about that great restaurant in Morehead City, NC- The Ruddy Duck Tavern! Great food and reasonably priced. Ate there both nights that we stayed in Morehead City.
      S/V recess

      There is another good restaurant on the water in Beaufort, NC (300 Front Street). Just a mile [actually, several miles – editor] from the Ruddy Duck Tavern. It’s the Main Street Grill. They have a web site so check it out. I have eaten there and it is 5 stars. They have on the water dining. and a dock for boaters.
      Jan Mancini

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      1. jan mancini -  July 17, 2009 - 1:20 pm

        There is another good restaurant on the water in Beauford nc. Just a mile from the Ruddy Duck Tavern. It’s the Main Street Grill. They have a web site so check it out. I have eaten there and it is 5 stars. They have on the water dining. and a dock for boaters.

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    • Anchored on the Pasquotank River (Dismal Swamp Route, St. M. 44-45)

      The section of the Pasqotank River referred to by Captain Chris below, lies just south of Goat Island, and well north of Elizabeth City. I've never tried dropping the hook here before, but it sounds as if this could be a real alternative to anchoring behind Goat Island. Anyone else had experience with this portion of the Pasquotank?

      We have just spent two nights anchored in the Pasquotank River-Dismal Swamp Canal — the section beteeen Mile 44 & 45.
      The western side has about 7 feet to within 150 feet of the waterline and is relatively snag and stump free. The eastern side can be deeper closer in but has far more snags and stumps.
      We had no problem finding a swinging circle for a 45 foot boat with 70 feet of chain out and a minimum depth of 8 feet. We were still 100 yds from the main channel. We did rig a trip line and a deck level anchor light and would recommend both to all.
      It is much breezier and much less buggy in this section than tucked in behind Goat Island (M44.3)
      On the weekends it is a skiboat play ground. On weekdays there is the occasional Dismal Swamp South Mill Lock traffic.
      This place compares favorably to Broad Creek, Pungo Creek and Upper Pungo River – and being fresh water, there are zero crab floats.
      Chris Waln

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